So how did the party of women do?

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How many votes did they get in the areas they stood? BBC isn’t giving a breakdown of results.

How many voted do you have to get to reclaim your deposit?

There are 3 places where kjk is a queen - 3 echo chambers @Sloejelly - her YouTube channel, her Twitter account and on the mumsnet FWR board. She is zealously defended in those 3 places but everywhere else she is mostly ignored, dismissed or people don’t know her

Then why keep talking about her @Ineverlose ? If you feel so strongly about how ineffectual she is, why are you posting about her? You forgot one thing in your list though - The LWS events that gets her point across to all who attend, as well as giving women a valuable platform to speak freely.

Oh yes you’re right the LWS are a fourth echo chamber. I keep talking about her because I’m furious she has made such a mess out of things. Her awful tactics have made being Gc look like it’s the lunatic fringe when it’s not. Her divisive nature made lots of good Gc people turn on each other. I’m deeply disappointed

It appears to be a little contradictory to on the one hand say how KJK only speaks to an echo chamber but then say how powerful she has been to cause such division and also make the GC cause appear as a lunatic fringe?

The Party of Women's dominant focus is trans people. Same for the LGB-Alliance.

The focus in both cases is more about the right of people to identify as the opposite sex and how this conflicts with the rights of women and LGB people. Do you deny that there is a conflict?

Is there a conflict between women who want single-sex spaces and men having the right to identify as women and be allowed into those spaces?

Is there a conflict between women who want to be able to participate in sports where they compete only against other female people and men having the right to identify as women and compete against women?

Does the right of a heterosexual man to identify as a lesbian conflict with the right of a lesbian to be only attracted to female people? Is there a conflict if lesbians want to exclude such males from events for lesbians?

If anyone here is interested there is a women's rights party that actually is about women's rights- Women's Equality Party. They aren't anti-trans and focus on a variety of issues.

But they think men can be women. So they should rename themselves the "People's Equality Party".

They haven't done very well in their 9 years of existence, despite all the fanfare and funding. Only 4 candidates at the GE with similar number of votes per candidate as KJK got with her brand new party which has only existed for less than 6 months.

No it’s not contradictory @mrshoho . The echo chamber is the Gc world. She isn’t able to move her message out further to the wider public. But worse than that, some of her fans are extremely vindictive and they cause fights and needless division in the Gc world. Her echo chamber stays within Gc circles, it doesn’t get the message out to the wider public. This is inarguably true since the election. The silent majority didn’t go near the POW. So disappointing.

As a normal, working, single mother, surrounded by normal, working people, KJK doesn't seem awful at all to me. She seems like someone I could call if I was running late on a school run and she'd grab my kids and take them to the park with hers. She strikes me as the person who heads off for a broom at the end of someone else's kids party because she can see we're all knackered and want to get home. She's always ready with a hug and a kind word when women need it at LWS events, but she also doesn't mince words. I have friends like that and I love them all the more for it - even though it can be bruising sometimes.

She's opinionated, I probably wouldn't enjoy being on the PTA with her, but I would appreciate her hard work, and happily buy her the drink of her choice if she ever walked into a place I was.

Plenty of us are at the coal face in this - we don't have the mental space for mucking about and secret negotiations between our 'betters' and the powers that be, or waiting for the perfect strategy or candidate. We just need something done, and I'm grateful that KJK stepped up and started doing something

Publicity brilliant worth every penny of the expense, it wasn't about winning seats just spread the message, we wouldn't be where we are now without people like KJK sticking their head above the parapet, well done and keep it up

Love this and agree with you

I'm off for my weekly shop and will call on the manager at Tesco o my way past and explain I won't be spending £150 there today because they are sticking with the 'men can use the female loo' line. I wouldn't have dreamt of doing that a couple of years ago if it wasn't for people like KJK

The echo chamber is the Gc world. She isn’t able to move her message out further to the wider public.

And why do you think that is? None of us want to be in an echo chamber. What do you think is stopping the message getting out?

'No debate' isn't quite as extreme as it was 7 or 8 years ago when I first got involved, but it's still there. KJK was excluded from some of the hustings because the organisers didn't like her opinions. Women often don't get the chance to participate because the message that 'men can't be women' is too unpalatable to some people.

Amazing echo chamber this, with thread after thread made by and full of people telling us it's an echo chamber. Lol smh

To be perfectly honest what you are describing, which the LGB-Alliance use as justification for existing, is complete nonsense. Go to any gay bar or pride event in the country and they will tell you the same thing.

Go to any gay bar or pride event in the country and they will tell you the same thing.

And then go and talk to the lesbians who no longer go to the gay bar or "LGBTQ" events after experiencing pressure to date/sleep with men there.

that’s not correct @OldCrone , Helen Joyce, Maya, Andrew Doyle and many more are speaking all the time to much bigger audiences than kjk and they found their way on their own, it has nothing to do with kjk speaking in parks

What I am describing? I didn't describe anything. I asked you some questions which you seem unable to answer.

I don't know what your problem is then. Her message isn't getting out to anyone, so no one is listening to her. That's what you want, isn't it?

No that’s not at all what I want!! I want the message to get out and I’m so frustrated that kjk has made a total pigs ear of it. She has made the Gc movement look like a lunatic fringe movement. She is now alongside jokers like Count Binface ,Captain Beany and King Arthur Pendragon. That is a disaster. This is a serious issue and it should be taken seriously. We do have a silent majority but KJK’s terrible tactics didn’t work and so they didn’t vote for her. I’m incredibly disappointed

Your posts are very contradictory @Ineverlose .

First you said this:

There are 3 places where kjk is a queen - 3 echo chambers - her YouTube channel, her Twitter account and on the mumsnet FWR board. She is zealously defended in those 3 places but everywhere else she is mostly ignored, dismissed or people don’t know her

So according to you, people ignore her or don't know who she is. So she's unimportant. Who cares what she does because nobody's taking any notice.

Now you're saying She has made the Gc movement look like a lunatic fringe movement.

Surely that doesn't matter, because the only people who are paying attention to her are other GC people, because nobody else knows who she is, so it only looks like a lunatic fringe movement to other GC people, or rather it doesn't, because we know it's not.

No they’re not contradictory. My points remain the same
1.kjk has an echo chamber that has given her an inflated idea of herself
2 she made a mess of the elections and her terrible tactics mean that she is dismissed or ignored or people don’t know her
3 This has given the inaccurate impression to the world that this issue is a fringe issue. 4. Others would have made a much better fist of it
5 this is a terrible shame and a massive lost opportunity

4. Others would have made a much better fist of it

Then others need to get off their pontificating arses and put their money (and safety) where their mouths are, set up a political party, show KJK how it’s done and give us all someone to vote for.

You have a point, several in fact.

1.kjk has an echo chamber that has given her an inflated idea of herself

How do you know what her "idea of herself" is? Can you read her mind? Why do you care what her "idea of herself" is?

2 she made a mess of the elections and her terrible tactics mean that she is dismissed or ignored or people don’t know her

In what way did she make "a mess of the elections"? She got her party registered only a few months ago, then impressively managed to find 16 candidates to stand when the election was unexpectedly announced. What specifically were "her terrible tactics"?

3 This has given the inaccurate impression to the world that this issue is a fringe issue.

So despite the fact that she lives in an "echo chamber" (point 1) and that "she is dismissed or ignored or people don’t know her" (point 2), she has "given the inaccurate impression to the world that this issue is a fringe issue". How has she managed to do this from her echo chamber? Surely she can't have given any "impression to the whole world" if "she is dismissed or ignored or people don’t know her".

You say that nobody knows who she is, or they dismiss or ignore her, but despite this, the only knowledge most people have of the attacks on women's rights and how genderism is harming children are due to her actions.

Point 3 contradicts points 1 and 2.

4. Others would have made a much better fist of it

Would they? The best comparator might be the Women's Equality Party. Formed in 2015 with lots of publicity, funding and support from prominent people. First contested an election in 2017 with only 7 candidates, only one of whom got more than 1000 votes. In 2019 they only had 3 candidates, none of whom got more than 200 votes. In last week's election, they only had 4 candidates, who each got a similar number of votes to the PoW candidates.

KJK seems to have been very successful in comparison, all the more so since she is ignored by the media. But if you think you could do better, perhaps you should set up your own party ready for the next election. You've got a few years to prepare if you start now. But if "others would have made a much better fist of it" as you say, why didn't they do anything about it? Is it because sniping from the sidelines is easier than actually putting in the hard work that KJK does?

5 this is a terrible shame and a massive lost opportunity

Others could have done something and they didn't. You can't blame this on the people who actually got off their arses and did something.

4. Others would have made a much better fist of it

There are few people in England I suppose, who have more true enjoyment of music than myself, or a better natural taste. If I had ever learnt, I should have been a great proficient. And so would Anne, if her health would have allowed her to apply. I am confident that she would have performed delightfully