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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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lcakethereforeIam · 24/06/2024 17:56

But, apparently, also what's on your loyalty card.

Waitwhat23 · 24/06/2024 18:00

Freda Wallace who got so pissed at a debate panel (with Kathleen Stock afaicr) that Peter Tatchell had to take his glass of red off him with a quiet word?

PronounssheRa · 24/06/2024 18:21

JKR in no mood to be schmoozed

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1805279881179316460

I'll be happy to meet after
NoXYinXXprisons, LesbianLabour, WomensRightsNet, WomansPlaceUK
and AllianceLGB have been given in person meetings with the Labour leadership. I'd also like to know whether
AngelaRayner still considers the last two organisations hate groups - asking on behalf of female survivors of domestic violence and gay people who don't subscribe to gender identity ideology

x.com

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1805279881179316460

EasternStandard · 24/06/2024 18:23

PronounssheRa · 24/06/2024 18:21

JKR in no mood to be schmoozed

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1805279881179316460

I'll be happy to meet after
NoXYinXXprisons, LesbianLabour, WomensRightsNet, WomansPlaceUK
and AllianceLGB have been given in person meetings with the Labour leadership. I'd also like to know whether
AngelaRayner still considers the last two organisations hate groups - asking on behalf of female survivors of domestic violence and gay people who don't subscribe to gender identity ideology

She is brilliant

How good is it to see this rebounding around the media, after a long time

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 24/06/2024 18:26

Chersfrozenface · 24/06/2024 16:50

From the Times article above:
"Morgan McSweeney, the party’s campaign chief, is said to believe that there are 100 seats or more which are currently too close to call, with about five million voters still uncertain which party to back.
McSweeney’s focus on winning over “hero voters” in swing seats who previously voted Conservative has helped put Labour on course for power, and the strategy has seen the party pick up support in constituencies it needs to win while shedding some on the left in safe urban seats."

So why are Labour pushing gender ideology, which is unlikely to appeal to just the voters they want to attract?

Are they hoping those voters won't notice or care? And that the urban voters can be kept on side with rainbow-washing?

People voting for Labour are voting for change. Especially Given the lack of anything in their manifesto.
They are arrogant enough to nor bother telling the electorate anything because they believe people think they have the higher moral ground.
When it comes to woman’s rights they quite obviously don’t but they clearly think we are too stupid to notice.

Just off to buy my red cape and white bonnet !

duc748 · 24/06/2024 18:31

JKR playing a blinder there. She is spot-on to foreground these groups and how the LP has treated them.

Floisme · 24/06/2024 18:47

The absolute arrogance of Labour behaving like they think they can head off JK with a cosy chat and a bottle of Prosecco.

Madcats · 24/06/2024 19:00

Well done, JKR!

I fear I might be waiting many months for a new Strike novel.

RedToothBrush · 24/06/2024 19:10

Chersfrozenface · 24/06/2024 16:50

From the Times article above:
"Morgan McSweeney, the party’s campaign chief, is said to believe that there are 100 seats or more which are currently too close to call, with about five million voters still uncertain which party to back.
McSweeney’s focus on winning over “hero voters” in swing seats who previously voted Conservative has helped put Labour on course for power, and the strategy has seen the party pick up support in constituencies it needs to win while shedding some on the left in safe urban seats."

So why are Labour pushing gender ideology, which is unlikely to appeal to just the voters they want to attract?

Are they hoping those voters won't notice or care? And that the urban voters can be kept on side with rainbow-washing?

My. How interesting.

(Told you they were more nervous than they are letting on)

5475878237NC · 24/06/2024 19:31

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 24/06/2024 16:45

Sad to say that I'm a thoroughly safe Tory seat and tactical voting would make no difference. I shall be spoiling my ballot.

Same here sadly.

BezMills · 24/06/2024 19:35

Chersfrozenface · 24/06/2024 17:53

You're OK @GenericMNwoman. As the TRAs and "allies" never tire of telling us, it's not what's in your pants that matters, it's what's in your head.

What a relief!

What's in my head

"Jesus christ, gender is the biggest load of anti-human, sexist, homophobic, useless cringe I've ever heard of and I feel sorry for the bin that receives it"

SinnerBoy · 24/06/2024 21:35

Wistfullythinking · Today 08:31

I am so glad these things are beginning to be properly reported, and hope that it's not too late.

It's oozing out of too many sinister holes for it to be ignored, now. The Be Kind lot are trying to keep a lid on things and having some success for now, but I hope it can't last forever.

ActivePeony · 24/06/2024 21:47

Waitwhat23 · 24/06/2024 18:00

Freda Wallace who got so pissed at a debate panel (with Kathleen Stock afaicr) that Peter Tatchell had to take his glass of red off him with a quiet word?

God he was disgusting in debate. So horribly inappropriate on every single level.

UtopiaPlanitia · 24/06/2024 21:52

SinnerBoy · 24/06/2024 21:35

Wistfullythinking · Today 08:31

I am so glad these things are beginning to be properly reported, and hope that it's not too late.

It's oozing out of too many sinister holes for it to be ignored, now. The Be Kind lot are trying to keep a lid on things and having some success for now, but I hope it can't last forever.

Kier Starmer is about to discover how very persistent gender realist women (and men) can be. And if he’s in government, the media will want lots of things to critique him on so this topic isn’t going away in the media either.

SinnerBoy · 24/06/2024 22:00

He'll have to retire to the bunker and tweet shite from there.

Biscofffan · 25/06/2024 08:51

Based on Bridget Phillipson's interview this morning, having a GRC trumps women's rights to single sex spaces. There's Labour's get-out clause. We've had it, I 'm afraid.

DrBlackbird · 25/06/2024 09:03

Biscofffan · 25/06/2024 08:51

Based on Bridget Phillipson's interview this morning, having a GRC trumps women's rights to single sex spaces. There's Labour's get-out clause. We've had it, I 'm afraid.

So the strategy is for Keir to say all the soothing words but the Labour loons will plough right ahead through women’s rights. As the mother of a young DD it’s all so worrying. The problem is that the state can force through change that then ultimately becomes normalised. It might be a different version of The Handmaids Tale, but the underlying premise of women’s rights being disposable is ancient. As is how other women are willing to actively comply.

RedToothBrush · 25/06/2024 09:57

But asked on a school visit yesterday if he would end the ban on gender ideology being taught, Sir Keir replied: 'No, I'm not in favour of ideology being taught in our schools on gender.'
He went on: 'I do think teachers need guidance. I think we need to complete the consultation process and make sure that there is guidance that is age-appropriate.'
His spokesman added: 'Nothing should be taught in an ideological way in schools.
'Current RSHE guidance requires under law that children are taught in an age-appropriate way the facts about 'sex, sexuality, sexual health and gender identity'.
'Labour's priority is the safety and wellbeing of every child.'
Labour's apparent change of stance on the issue was condemned by some campaigners.

How can you be taught the facts about gender identity? What are the facts about gender identity? How is it NOT ideology? Any of it?

If you beleive you are the opposite sex, or born in the wrong body, how can that be anything other than ideology?

What is age appropriate? Who decides? Is this the same for all children or are autistic children less able to understand this due to maturing later?

How does the priority of safeguarding for every child fit with self ID too?

Even these comments are full of wooliness and vagueness. None of this addresses the actual questions women are saying. It just says 'we know best, we will do it'.

Thats incredibly paternalistic EVEN IF YOU BELIEVE THEM.

Its asking for an insane level of trust.

Why can't they actually explain and treat us like adults, so we can make informed decisions on who to vote for? Or is the point that they don't want us to make informed choices on who to vote for? And if thats the case, where does that leave us with everything else?

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 25/06/2024 09:57

Biscofffan · 25/06/2024 08:51

Based on Bridget Phillipson's interview this morning, having a GRC trumps women's rights to single sex spaces. There's Labour's get-out clause. We've had it, I 'm afraid.

Which will lead to exactly what happened in Brighton on Sunday.
Heres a pic of the trans activists intimidating women at a peaceful Let women speak’ meeting on Sunday in Brighton.

The police even told a women to go home if she didn’t like the harassment and women had to hide in a shop for an hour before the police brought a van to let them escape to safety.

JKR in The Times. Labour have dismissed women like me
RedToothBrush · 25/06/2024 09:58

This is a 'Stop being a weasely politician who talks out of both sides of your mouth and actually answer the fucking question properly' thing.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 25/06/2024 10:03

Biscofffan · 25/06/2024 08:51

Based on Bridget Phillipson's interview this morning, having a GRC trumps women's rights to single sex spaces. There's Labour's get-out clause. We've had it, I 'm afraid.

Wonder how many women will blindly vote for her as the Labour candidate for Houghton and Sunderland South.

RedToothBrush · 25/06/2024 10:03

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 25/06/2024 09:57

Which will lead to exactly what happened in Brighton on Sunday.
Heres a pic of the trans activists intimidating women at a peaceful Let women speak’ meeting on Sunday in Brighton.

The police even told a women to go home if she didn’t like the harassment and women had to hide in a shop for an hour before the police brought a van to let them escape to safety.

How on earth does anyone look at that photo and not go

'EXTREMIST. TERRORIST.'

Honest to god. We see incels through the terrorist lens. Why aren't we seeing extreme TRAs through the terrorist lens.

Keir Starmer should be saying PREVENT will be dealing with this issue appropriately within schools. Not weak, wet, half arsed JKR provoked statements cos he can't keep his own Shadow Bench in line never mind his back benchers and wing nut supporters.

This issue is far from resolved within his own party, never mind in terms of trusting the public to let him have a free pass on this one.

Even if he is PM and even if women here do vote for him, we need to keep pushing and pushing for an actual bloody answer not platitudes.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/06/2024 10:05

"Sarah Jane Baker" is an ultra violent man who surely must again be in breach of his licence conditions. A few months ago he was at HMP IOW. Why is he being allowed to bully and intimidate women?

Kandalama · 25/06/2024 11:10

RedToothBrush · 25/06/2024 10:03

How on earth does anyone look at that photo and not go

'EXTREMIST. TERRORIST.'

Honest to god. We see incels through the terrorist lens. Why aren't we seeing extreme TRAs through the terrorist lens.

Keir Starmer should be saying PREVENT will be dealing with this issue appropriately within schools. Not weak, wet, half arsed JKR provoked statements cos he can't keep his own Shadow Bench in line never mind his back benchers and wing nut supporters.

This issue is far from resolved within his own party, never mind in terms of trusting the public to let him have a free pass on this one.

Even if he is PM and even if women here do vote for him, we need to keep pushing and pushing for an actual bloody answer not platitudes.

The issue is resolved within the Labour Party.
Trans rights trump womens right.
Job done

SinnerBoy · 25/06/2024 11:15

BrownTroutBluesAgain · Today 10:03

Bridget Phillipson

Wonder how many women will blindly vote for her as the Labour candidate for Houghton and Sunderland South.

Paging @EmotionalSupportViper .......

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