JKR in The Times. Labour have dismissed women like me

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https://www.thetimes.com/article/860b9b92-9b0d-4321-ba97-6a18b367bdf4?shareToken=fc3cf82fe46fc9169528ed540751fc27

They’re really wedded to the idea of removing spousal consent - yeah, that shows they really have women’s needs and concerns at heart 🙄

No, they don’t listen because they’re too busy virtue signalling 🤬

'As well as simplifying the application process, Labour will also get rid of a requirement to have consent from the spouse of the person wishing to change gender.' says the article.

Is this the so-called 'spousal veto', more properly the spousal exit clause?

https://labourwomensdeclaration.org.uk/the-spousal-consent-clause-in-the-gra-an-important-protection-for-women/#:~:text=The%20pause%20provided%20by%20the,before%20a%20certificate%20is%20granted.

Yes, that's the spousal exit clause which means Labour are happy to throw transwidows under the bus in their stampede towards peak TRA-friendliness. I honestly can't see how this can do anything but make the process of disentangling from a relationship more fraught for wives.

Labour are giving out lady tickets to men with a tesco club card? They are desperate for votes eh? They will literally do anything.

I know, right?

Labour are telling us loud and clear what they intend to do. When these laws are in place they won't be repealed. No amount of tutting loudly at them after the fact will bring our rights back.

None of it makes sense.

How many of us have our gender legally recognised in any way? Once again they conflate sex & gender as it suits them to.

Our birth certificates record our sex. If we are going to start to record gender instead then we should all be involved. A clown plan of monstrous proportions.

Of course it's a nonsense & they are talking about sex. Which is impossible to change.

If a government is deluded enough to go down this road the barriers to changing our sex marker should be very high indeed.

#RepealGRA

@RobinEllacotStrike

None of it makes sense

It really, really doesn't! There is just a twisted logic. I do sometimes wonder if the whole thing is just so bonkers that most normal thinking people just shrug and go on their way.

I posted on this forum five or so years ago, wondering why there was nothing at all about all this in mainstream media. I was pointed at the odd titbit but really there wasn't much.

I'm still desperately holding on to the notion that the JKR article would be enough to make people see sense, but I think I am behind the curve there. I am still hoping that the deadpan delivery of today's Times leader about Labour making it easier to 'change gender' will make the average reader go 'wtf?!'

I would like to say my elderly mum and my DH now understand what I have been talking about for ages, but they are more bemused than ever. Not unreasonably; I'm starting to feel the same!

In other news, my TWAW adult DD has quietly come around to my way of thinking, having previously relied on 'no debate' as her argument. So that at least is good.

I simply cannot get my head around the behaviour of the TRAs at yesterday's LWS event being considered reasonable activism my some. I cannot get my head around a twix thread that talks of campaigning against the Cass report. Or of the appalling surgery and medicalisation of young people, while the likes of Isla Bryson remain intact.

On Saturday I was still hopeful of actually being able to vote. I have voted at every opportunity for 40 years. I'm devastated that this time I may end up spoiling my ballot. I really, really, want to be able to vote for Labour 😔

There have been threads about women dropping it and piping down, but honestly if the TRAs would just drop it it, and accept that they can wear what they like, call themselves what they like, sleep with whoever will have them but leave women's spaces, language and kids alone, all this would go away.

Feeling pretty hopeless at the apathy of those who won't even try to understand, today. I am so grateful that you amazing women are here!

To add to my post above as it's too late to edit, I meant to say that I am glad that it's made mainstream media since I first started looking into it. In the Times today, there is also a report on the nurses who are taking legal action against the NHS that is allowing the male, sexually active 'Rose' change alongside them in the women's changing room. DH just read that and came rushing in to show me. I knew about it already obviously, but finally, finally, he really gets it!

I am so glad these things are beginning to be properly reported, and hope that it's not too late

I do sometimes wonder if the whole thing is just so bonkers that most normal thinking people just shrug and go on their way.

This is exactly what is happening on a mass worldwide scale.

On the one hand its very simple - 2 immutable sexes, sometimes important in life and law.

On the other hand you have the "its oh so clever & you plebs probably won't get it cause you are too stupid & ignorant" academic waffle around gender to confuse everyone into shrugging and walking away.

It is the ultimate "if you can convince them with logic, baffle them with bullshit". It was a popular bumber sticker (whatever happened to those?) in the 70's/80's.

Plus if you are brave enough to go "hang on a minture" you get called terf/bigot/nazi. This has been the game plan for many years that has been very very successful.

To be a bit more optimistic, womens grassroots groups have formed since the proposed GRA Amendment in 2018, and they are now very well organised, educated & resources (if not financially, intellectually - these women know their stuff). There are many different groups which is amazing. We will need all of them being very active over the next few years. So join one. Sign up, get involved. If you can affored pay a GC activist group a few quid a month please do - it will be ££ well spent.

If you don't have a local meet in person TERF club please do form one. Online is good, in person is better. There is a place for both. I meet with a small group of women once a month - we have all become good friends. Apart from support, one of the consequences of our group is we are all braver. Saying things out loud to each othere preps us for saying things out loud to other people in the wild - it is very effective.

One of the main tools of the patriarchy is isolating women from each other - so we think these travisties in our lives - doing all the chores, shit relationships, sexual assault/rape, financial abuse, shit pay, lack of medical care etc etc etc - is just happening to us, and its our own personal problem, instead of being huge widespread issues many/most women will suffer from. Gender bullshit, unsurprisingly, uses these patriarchal tools very effectively. Connecting with women in person, is a radical act & very important for us all.

We need to all pull together and we will be effective.

Can't find the meme but:

HISTORY OF WOMEN
Millennia - women are property
1980-2005 - women are people
2005 + - women are feelings

There have been threads about women dropping it and piping down, but honestly if the TRAs would just drop it it, and accept that they can wear what they like, call themselves what they like, sleep with whoever will have them but leave women's spaces, language and kids alone, all this would go away.

Which makes perfect sense until you realise that it's the spaces, language and kids that they want.

Thank you @RobinEllacotStrike for that very useful post!

@Datun yes absolutely!

Yes there really is this ridiculously simple solution no one will even consider.

Clearly this wouldn't erode womens boundaries and rights and we could all peacefully co-exist.

But no, the erradication of womens rights and boundaries, eliminating safeguarding, creating a new sacred caste and accessing children does seem to be the beating heart of gender ideology.

Most politicians seems determined not to see or even think about this.

I’ve started a separate thread about this article, but worth sharing in here too. Thank goodness there are still some sensible journalists out there!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/j-k-rowlings-glorious-refusal-to-be-kind/

This has just been on LBC with Nick Ferrari spectacularly missing the point and the researchers carefully selecting the callers. Very frustrating.

LBC started a discussion about the JKR article on Saturday by interviewing a transwoman to get his thoughts!

A clown plan of monstrous proportions

Sums the whole thing up really.

Well said 👏👏

Are they going to change the clause that stops women transitioning to become the 'male' heir to inherited titles? No, didn't think so.

Well, there's a good question. I hope someone investigates it soon.

Such a well written piece
Agree with everything you say and I can feel your desperation.
Except spoiling your ballot paper really isn’t going to change anything.

Thank you. I live in a very safe Tory area so my vote won't make any difference anyway.

There we have it.
Not prepared to talk about women’s rights and child safety.
They condescend to say they think there are more important issues
Its not important enough to Labour

They absolutely do not care about our safety.

Same.

but, I'd be willing to bet, they say they don't agree with primogenitor anyway. Thus sidestepping the question.