Pride month

[Hyperions]

Has anyone noticed a dialling down in PRIDE logos on business websites today?

You might want to visit the UK or indeed Planet Earth.

But you know really don't you.

Yes there is a problem with sexual violence from all males, regardless of identity. The difference is that for only one group are we expected to deny their male behaviour, and even worse we are increasingly being asked to enable their violence. Based on your argument any transwoman who commits violence is not a true trans, it is clear that any commitment to identifying and preventing male sexual violence comes secondary to prioritising the feelings of trans-identified males.

Who have I insulted and where? I believe you began with an attack on me for making that precise point which was then deleted. Bizarre.

You haven't said though what you think the issues are, or why.

You seem to think your own experience is real and no one elses is.

You've behaved as if everyone else is a liar.

Not the way to create real discussion.I think everyone might have been interested if you'd explained your observations and ideas, but they might not share the same experiences - they might have different ones.

Your experiences in your own community aren't necessarily what happens everywhere.

@TempestTost I have said. I said that in the LGBT community it is non binary and gender queer young people creating the issues, especially those at university. They are the ones who try and get events cancelled, throw around the word transphobia for ridiculous reasons, and cause so many problems that more people are just throwing in the towel and refusing to organise anything. They cause absolute chaos.
And it is not just where I live either.

And no one is denying what you've said. What we are refuting is your assertion that 'late transitioners' do not cause issues. They absolutely do.

You don't need to have experience of the LGBT Community™ to know what is going on.

Museums and art galleries in London (which are not LGBT Community™ spaces) have seen a rise in mixed sex toilets. Being asked how you identity when booking a covid jab. Computer games (which are not LGBT Community games) force the player to select pronouns. Women-only places/groups seeing a bloke walk in and claim not to identity as a man. Etc.

The impact isn't just on LGBT Community™ spaces, it is on all spaces all people use, and that is what has caused so many problems.

The whataboutery to distract from any criticism of transwomen is remarkable incredibly predictable. When I mentioned the transman who described horrendous sexual harassment of female trans-identified children you said ‘well what about gay men?’ Now it’s ’well no it’s really just the young genderqueers’. Anything to prevent people criticising transwomen for sexually violent behaviour.

Why are they the only group of males who you believe deserve special protection from accountability for their action? Why is my recognition that some transwomen rape and abuse others transphobic, whereas your description of every non-binary/genderqueer identified young adult fair comment? Why are the feelings of heterosexual older males prioritised over the needs of women, children and even other and more vulnerable groups of trans-identified people? Why am I even asking you when I know the answer already…

I certainly don’t agree with anyone who advocates for the gender ideology that is harming women and children. But it is interesting to me that your main objection is not to that, or to the violence itself, but to young people saying things that make you and the rest of us in the wider LGBT community look bad. My key priorities are very different.

@TicklishLemur sigh. I said the issue is with men. I meant all men.

Then why did you get your panties in a knot when I described the abusive pattern of behaviour displayed by far too many transwomen? And why do you resist anyone admitting that some of those men you are talking about also identify as transwomen? Or the fact that that group of men not only commits sexual offences at higher rates than other men but do so whilst demanding access to spaces where they do not belong. More whataboutery…

Tesco magazine pushing PRIDE but Father's Day is just an afterthought.

@TicklishLemur who would have thought the "young genderqueers" who have spent a vast portion of their key development years being told that boundaries are flexible and can be ignored, and they have a right to decide how everybody around them should behave (even down to what words women can use to describe themselves) would now be struggling to respect the boundaries and rights of others? I mean even Nostradamus would have struggled to predict that eh @YourPinkDog?

Indeed! The individuals we are talking about have brainwashed those kids from birth and yet still, it’s the young people who are the problem 🙄. I’m not saying either that all young people are suddenly free from any responsibility for what they do. But it is infuriating to see such disingenuous attempts to prioritise a single group of trans-identified people - those most likely to commit violence, who benefit from the greatest privilege and influence, and who are least at risk of the horrendous transphobic violence appropriated to push their agenda.

I said it before but I’ll say it again, TRA is MRA and they couldn’t give a damn about trans-identified people who are female, ethnic minorities, abused or vulnerable in any way at all. If anything they are defined by their contempt for those groups, as well as for women and girls.

@TicklishLemur it's always somebody else who's at fault. Lesbians aren't doing the L right, gay men aren't doing the G right, genderqueers aren't "proper" trans, heterosexuals are all homophobic, the LGB are all transphobic and we're all going to hell! At least we'll have some good parties while we're there!

God aren't these people tired? I'd be so tired!

My company screen savers have all been changed to say we’re all committed to being true allies for the LGBTQAI+ community - so what’s the additional AI on the end?

Ask them and see if they even know!

It's computers I expect.

Or, more seriously, I'd guess asexual, and intersex.

It's odd though, they took intersex out of the acronym a while ago, but now it's back in the flag.

Just googled it and yes you’re right.

Anymore letters to add? It’ll be the whole bloody alphabet soon and they’ll still stick a + on the end

That's horrible you went through that.

There was ofc lots of variation on the effects around the country. But it's disingenuous to imply (if that's what you mean, I'm not sure) that homophobic bullying wasn't common then, or that Section 28 didn't have a big effect on what a lot of teachers felt they could say & do in cases of bullying etc

There was ofc lots of variation on the effects around the country. But it's disingenuous to imply (if that's what you mean, I'm not sure) that homophobic bullying wasn't common then, or that Section 28 didn't have a big effect on what a lot of teachers felt they could say & do in cases of bullying etc