Pride month

[Hyperions]

Has anyone noticed a dialling down in PRIDE logos on business websites today?

"I can't pick your arguments apart because I don't have a compelling counter argument of my own"

'Happy pride month everyone!'

... and genuflect, then genuflect some more.

lol well that didn’t last very long…..

Happy pride month.

The better class of be kind scolder you mentioned earlier also had more stamina...

They really did

ah well….

Scolder? Is that the latest insult for someone who does not agree with you?

@RubyBirdy that's disappointing. I'm surprised that you think that everyone posting on this thread is incapable of rational discussion. There seem to have been plenty of reasonable and well-explained posts in response to you.

That's all cool.

I wholly agree re third spaces, that would be a really sensible option.

The problem we have is that when transwomen (men) say they want to use women's 'safe spaces', that renders those spaces mixed sex - less safe for women.

No, it's a description of posters who make sweeping negative claims ("trans hate", "ridiculous panic") and don't engage meaningfully in response to reasonable posts that question them. As I'm sure you know, really.

Oh, and now I see you've left. Sorry. Hadn't caught up with the thread.

You didn't read it did you.

Bah! Did I miss a drive by scolding?
They happen so fast these days sigh

"You’re probably not going to come across many trans people in your life"

Yet we're all led to believe that they're everywhere. And we all have to celebrate them while ensuring that we address them by the correct/preferred pronouns.

I'd be okay-ish with Pride if it wasn't absolutely everywhere and if I wasn't referred to as a 'chest-feeding bleeder with a bonus hole'. The 'bonus hole' is particularly egregious since it suggests that not every woman has a vagina.

There are men and women out there secretly getting off to my anger, I'm certain of it.

we don’t base safeguarding for women and children on people’s lovely trans friends the same way we don’t base it on my lovely DH who won’t hurt a fly but still doesn’t belong in women’s spaces

Absolutely spot on

From the DPD App

I am so humbly grateful that - speaking as a member of approximately 50% of the worlds population - we are allowed to have one short midwinter day a year to call our own. Imagine how important you must be to get a whole month! In the summer too so lots of opportunity to get out there and have fun. Golly gosh.

So, yey! 👏 for International Womens’s Day. Sorry if we are offending anyone. March 8 th if you hadn’t noticed, it’s a boring time of the year, in the Northern Hemisphere at least, nothing much else happening so we really aren’t stepping on anyone else’s toes.

Be nice if we had a pretty little flag to wave .I suppose a red one would be appropriate, (periods and stuff) but we could always rip up our old clothes and make some bunting, it’s the sort of thing we are good at, apart from birthing every member of the human race since time immemorial that is, plus our contribution to the economic wealth of nations through paid and unpaid work.

🚩

International Women's Day is trans-inclusive. This year like many others we saw men wearing lipstick telling everyone what it means to be a woman.

Do they? I have never seen a straight parade or flag.
I have never heard of straight month or shops attaching straight flags to merchandise.....thank god

So not even one little day for us?

The right not to be raped? Ok I know it's not a right but lucky them to not fear this.
The right to walk down the street without being heckled or sexually hassled.
The right to be paid more for the same work...ok again, not a right but it might as well be.
The right to be listened to and taken more seriously....
The right to feel safer in their home than women

I was asking about legal rights. If you read the thread, you will see that my entire argument leading up to that question was that having equal legal rights does NOT mean a group (e.g. women, LGB people) no longer experiences discrimination, prejudice and violence as a result of being part of that group. I can assure you I'm not an MRA.

tl:dr - Lesbian here, and I don't really like Pride month very much these days.

There's no straight pride or flags but that's okay, straight people have basically all the representation in day to day life. All the disney princesses have their disney prince (mostly), almost all romances in books, TV shows, films, everywhere, are straight. Straight people don't have to come out because it's the default expectation.

People say children shouldn't be exposed to the fact that gay/lesbian people exist - but straight romances, relationships and what these should look like are in children's stories and TV shows from birth. It's acceptable for Belle to fall in love with a not human beast who is essentially keeping her prisoner, but people lose their mind that Peppa Pig's mate has two mums.

No hate for Beauty and the Beast, it's just illustrative of the way society projects relationships.

People equate gay/lesbian representation to sex education but this is not the same. Just like it isn't for straight people and obviously, like everyone else, believe that sex education should be age-appropriate.

People (not saying you, but some people) will say to my DS who is friends with a girl - oh I wonder if they will end up together. They're 3!

Most people don't care about other people's sexuality these days, not as a grown up anyway, but it's hard as a child/teen growing up with very little representation in the mainstream media. And then having to tell people about it eventually.

Gay/lesbian people are more likely to have addiction/mental health/self harming issues generally because society is not kind to us growing up.

So no, there's no straight pride, but it's not the same experience growing up and gay/lesbian people have more to contend with in our formative years - from a sex/relationships perspective, obviously individuals have their own challenges and traumas growing up!

Sorry for the rant, and whilst I understand and agree pride month is just rainbow-washing, straight people who complain about not having their own pride is like men complaining about not having international mens day. Everyday is mens day! That's why women would rather be stuck in the woods with a bear than a real life man.

Having said all that, pride month has turned into a rainbow-washing meaningless show of inclusion, but no actual action to make their organisations more inclusive. If an organisation really cares about inclusion there's plenty of action they can take that doesn't involve a single rainbow that can make a big difference.

I'm butting into this conversation because there are people who are often forgotten or ignored: the close family of people who transition. I am talking about wives, partners, siblings, children and parents of transgender people. I happen to be a parent of a transgender son. You probably have no concept of how distressing it is when your son demands that you treat him as, in some unclear and undefined sense, a woman.

If I try to call my son "she", I am rejecting my son. He can reject himself, reject his "masculine" traits, reject his male body, and call himself "she". Now he thinks he's a woman. If he demands that I do the same, that is coercion if there is a threat of estrangement. I have no problem with him having "feminine" traits; so do I, and I know no-one who is not a mixture of feminine and masculine characteristics. He is not, however, my daughter. That would be illogical, and would deny his biological reality and his history as our son, our daughter's brother and so on.

And I do not accept any hierarchy of oppression which claims that all members of one group are more oppressed than any member of another group. Identity politics has taken concepts with some truth and elevated them to the whole truth. No wonder ageism, misogyny and antisemitism are rife among people who swallow these ideas whole. Nuanced, critical thinking recognises that trans people are often treated poorly but doesn't counter that by putting them on a pedestal.

@Kidspartytroll I second everything you just said.