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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

KJK supports Trump

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NefertitiV · 31/05/2024 02:36

After the Trump verdict today, KJK retweeted three supportive tweets to her timeline, including one from US ex-Fox host Megyn Kelly that says "Guilty on all counts. The country is disgraced. Alvin Bragg should be disbarred. They will rue the day they released this lawfare to corrupt a presidential election."

Another tweet makes fun of President Biden's stutter.

This is someone currently up for election herself. Given her recent remarks about barring rentals to all trans people, and the fact she has received funding from US conservative political groups, does this concern you?

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BezMills · 02/06/2024 18:26

Labour will just have to cope and seethe if they find that the female voters they alienated, are alienated. It would be good if they even noticed. Well not good, but better than shit?

CassieMaddox · 02/06/2024 18:41

🙄

OldCrone · 02/06/2024 19:06

CassieMaddox · 02/06/2024 17:29

Here you go:
https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2024/04/10/british-labour-says-it-will-implement-cass-findings-on-care-for-trans-children-if-it-wins-election/

Wes Streeting, Labour Shadow Secretary for Health: “Children’s healthcare should always be led by evidence and children’s welfare, free from culture wars,” he said. “The government must now immediately act, but if they do not, the next Labour government will work to implement the expert recommendations of the Cass review.”

Has Keir Starmer also said this?

AlisonDonut · 02/06/2024 19:09

CassieMaddox · 02/06/2024 17:02

I suppose its a good distraction from KJK and whether she supports Trump though.
I'm not replying regarding eugenics again because its a blatant derail.

A derail that started when someone brought up Hitler.

Oh hang on, that was you!

NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 19:26

OldCrone · 02/06/2024 19:06

Has Keir Starmer also said this?

Has he fuck. Can't think why!

CassieMaddox · 02/06/2024 19:50

NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 19:26

Has he fuck. Can't think why!

Because he's part of a team and that is Wes Streeting's brief, probably. He seems pretty good at empowering his team to own their brief.

Working with others is something both Trump and KJK could learn to do better.

NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 19:55

Ahhhhh, but KJK is working with others. You just don't like who she's working with! So lose / lose. 🙄

Whoever's in charge of speaking, they've all been silent on Atkins' emergency legislation. Which speaks volumes.

CassieMaddox · 02/06/2024 19:59

NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 19:55

Ahhhhh, but KJK is working with others. You just don't like who she's working with! So lose / lose. 🙄

Whoever's in charge of speaking, they've all been silent on Atkins' emergency legislation. Which speaks volumes.

Who is she working with? I was referring to the fact she seems to regularly fall out with people and her material is all very self-congratulatory about her own personal achievements.

NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 20:09

If you can't remember the list which YOU posted about who PoW has working alongside the party in the election, I can't help you.

CassieMaddox · 02/06/2024 20:24

NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 20:09

If you can't remember the list which YOU posted about who PoW has working alongside the party in the election, I can't help you.

Oh you accept she works with the American right now, do you? Good stuff. The threads have achieved something 🎉

NoWordForFluffy · 02/06/2024 20:27

CassieMaddox · 02/06/2024 20:24

Oh you accept she works with the American right now, do you? Good stuff. The threads have achieved something 🎉

Dunno. I've not looked into your claims as I don't give a fuck about it! 🤷‍♀️ I assume you weren't lying about the names. As to who / what they are politically, not interested.

It's unlikely you'll ever persuade me of anything!

TempestTost · 03/06/2024 01:31

CassieMaddox · 02/06/2024 12:52

Gosh. Calm down. Someone made a comment about the board e.g. the majority political outlook of the posters here. I replied. A comment about the tendency of the board says nothing about the posting of specific individuals. It certainly doesn't mean I think everyone claiming to be left wing is lying. That would be a very black and white view.

I'll use KJK as an example - her current politics (pro-Trump, pro-IDF, repeal the GRA, there is no such thing as trans and transition is abuse) is consistent with right wing politics and inconsistent with someone who says they are left wing.

I think she's switched over the years and is cross "the Left" hasn't switched with her.

I think there are lots of posters here in that position and they would be better owning the fact they are now right wing than complaining about being "politically homeless".

This is interesting.

I don't see how either of those positions about the medical facts of transgenderism are either politically right or left. If the evidence supported them, they could be equally believed or not believed without any reference to political views.
What makes you think they are "inconsistent" with someone who says they are left wing?

The idea that only people on the right talk about elites and conspiracy theories is so incorrect as to be almost bizarre.

Certainly at the moment being pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel seems common on the left, and I think there are some reasons for that in common leftist ideologies. But it's certainly not something I would think definitive. Lots of people on the left have always been broadly supportive of Israel and lots of Jewish people and Israelis are on the left. The fact is that the majority of people, I think by a fair margin, are somewhere in the middle, sympathetic to both groups but also with real criticisms. That is on the right and left.

As for Trump. Most real Trump supporters probably see themselves as Republican. But it's with remembering that for many of the people who wanted to vote for Sanders, Trump was their 2nd choice over Hilary. Trump has picked up on working class economic issues in a big way and proposed some pretty traditional working class solutions - the things traditionally proposed by parties on the left, not the right. There has in the last while been a huge defection of some traditional Democrat supporting groups to Trump specifically, or the Republicans generally. Hispanic support for example is now at something like 48%, with about 20% undecided, and that is a huge number of people in the US.

Have all these people now mysteriously become right wing? Or maybe they are kind of the same, and the causes the left and right are supporting have changed?

TempestTost · 03/06/2024 01:40

I am surprised that anyone is denying that eugenics was huge on the left in the first half of the 20th century. I thought this was well known? Don't people know about Margaret Sanger - I'd think she'd be pretty well known on a feminist discussion board. She's an excellent example of this.

Some of these people very much renounced that later, to their credit., after it became clear what the logical end point was.

G.K. Chesterton wrote some really excellent articles denouncing eugenics at the time and it was actually quite counter-cultural of him, it was so popular among secular intellectuals and even many in the CofE. The Catholics stood against it better than most did though, even the leftist ones.

I don't think we are as far away from it as we think though. I remember reading an interview with a Swedish doctor/researching, saying how wonderful it was that we had almost conquered Downs Syndrome. What he meant was, we could test for it in utero and terminate the pregnancies.

NefertitiV · 03/06/2024 01:56

For a bit of variety, KJK moves on to racism. With this tweet, she clearly misunderstands the dance of 'J-setting' often performed at African-American colleges. (As does the original tweeter - don't read the comments there as they are quite racist.)

x.com/theposieparker/status/1797258882235961817?s=61&t=3wYru9P_J0h74BXKFXAfmw

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NefertitiV · 03/06/2024 02:18

CassieMaddox · 02/06/2024 17:08

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1796931835823362392

I guess it's just coincidence her flyers are getting handed out at Tommy Robinsons rally. Also that there is pro-Trump chanting. Nothing to see here.

KJK is promoting these flyers being placed in all kinds of places, plus she also re-tweeted Andy Ngo, so she isn't unhappy about it.

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TempestTost · 03/06/2024 02:20

Misunderstands how? It was always a sexualized style of dance. Not everyone is big on that. Including quite a few black people.

The idea individuals should hold black people, and let's face it, particularly black women, to a different standard with regards to sexualization compared to what they would hold anyone else to, has some implications that don't exactly scream "non-racist".

There's room to differ on what is inappropriate sexualization, and what is just sexy, but having the same views across the board is not racist, except in upside down I'd pol world.

TempestTost · 03/06/2024 02:24

It's always been clear that KJK doesn't care who reads her stuff, so long as they come to understand the massive problem gender ideology is for women and children.

The idea that you only want to convince people who you think are nice is kind of weird. Although it explains why the Tories seem to win more elections I guess.

NefertitiV · 03/06/2024 02:34

TempestTost · 03/06/2024 02:20

Misunderstands how? It was always a sexualized style of dance. Not everyone is big on that. Including quite a few black people.

The idea individuals should hold black people, and let's face it, particularly black women, to a different standard with regards to sexualization compared to what they would hold anyone else to, has some implications that don't exactly scream "non-racist".

There's room to differ on what is inappropriate sexualization, and what is just sexy, but having the same views across the board is not racist, except in upside down I'd pol world.

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Perhaps you should look up the origins of the dance in question. It isn't a sexualised dance. You're only interpreting it that way. (Some think it's cheerleading; it isn't.)

Like I said, the comments under Jebra Faushay's tweet ARE racist.

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AlisonDonut · 03/06/2024 03:16

Are you just going to be a timeline of all KJKs tweets with your commentary about how everything she does and says is wrong now?

I mean it's a good way of getting her back on here without Mumsnet backing down!

NefertitiV · 03/06/2024 03:45

AlisonDonut · 03/06/2024 03:16

Are you just going to be a timeline of all KJKs tweets with your commentary about how everything she does and says is wrong now?

I mean it's a good way of getting her back on here without Mumsnet backing down!

No? Otherwise you'd be seeing an awful lot more.

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AlisonDonut · 03/06/2024 04:02

So you are curating it to show it in whatever light you think it needs?

Why not post your own twitter up for the same scrutiny?

'Miss miss, Posie said this' day in day out.

NefertitiV · 03/06/2024 05:12

AlisonDonut · 03/06/2024 04:02

So you are curating it to show it in whatever light you think it needs?

Why not post your own twitter up for the same scrutiny?

'Miss miss, Posie said this' day in day out.

Anyone can see her Twitter - I don't need to curate it.

I hardly think it's day in day out - I've posted one thread. One.

Why are you so angry?

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AlisonDonut · 03/06/2024 05:44

Why not go onto her twitter and comment on there, instead of sniping on here where you know she can't respond?

Why not call her up on a Tuesday evening and have a go to her face?

Why do you call women who push back at you 'angry'?

I think you and the other women who constantly copy and paste her words just to slag her off here are utter cowards who would freak out at the same being done to them, just to be clear.

NoWordForFluffy · 03/06/2024 07:22

AlisonDonut · 03/06/2024 05:44

Why not go onto her twitter and comment on there, instead of sniping on here where you know she can't respond?

Why not call her up on a Tuesday evening and have a go to her face?

Why do you call women who push back at you 'angry'?

I think you and the other women who constantly copy and paste her words just to slag her off here are utter cowards who would freak out at the same being done to them, just to be clear.

👏 👏 👏

mrshoho · 03/06/2024 07:39

TempestTost · 03/06/2024 01:31

This is interesting.

I don't see how either of those positions about the medical facts of transgenderism are either politically right or left. If the evidence supported them, they could be equally believed or not believed without any reference to political views.
What makes you think they are "inconsistent" with someone who says they are left wing?

The idea that only people on the right talk about elites and conspiracy theories is so incorrect as to be almost bizarre.

Certainly at the moment being pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel seems common on the left, and I think there are some reasons for that in common leftist ideologies. But it's certainly not something I would think definitive. Lots of people on the left have always been broadly supportive of Israel and lots of Jewish people and Israelis are on the left. The fact is that the majority of people, I think by a fair margin, are somewhere in the middle, sympathetic to both groups but also with real criticisms. That is on the right and left.

As for Trump. Most real Trump supporters probably see themselves as Republican. But it's with remembering that for many of the people who wanted to vote for Sanders, Trump was their 2nd choice over Hilary. Trump has picked up on working class economic issues in a big way and proposed some pretty traditional working class solutions - the things traditionally proposed by parties on the left, not the right. There has in the last while been a huge defection of some traditional Democrat supporting groups to Trump specifically, or the Republicans generally. Hispanic support for example is now at something like 48%, with about 20% undecided, and that is a huge number of people in the US.

Have all these people now mysteriously become right wing? Or maybe they are kind of the same, and the causes the left and right are supporting have changed?

This is a great post 👏👏

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