KJK supports Trump

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After the Trump verdict today, KJK retweeted three supportive tweets to her timeline, including one from US ex-Fox host Megyn Kelly that says "Guilty on all counts. The country is disgraced. Alvin Bragg should be disbarred. They will rue the day they released this lawfare to corrupt a presidential election."

Another tweet makes fun of President Biden's stutter.

This is someone currently up for election herself. Given her recent remarks about barring rentals to all trans people, and the fact she has received funding from US conservative political groups, does this concern you?

It's a quote from MNHQ about why KJK is banned, not to do with discrediting her. More correcting Alisons version of why she was banned.

That the huge majority of posters on that thread felt she was wrongly-banned? It's massively pro-KJK, which I'm surprised you've led people to really!

Oh my god you what???
Eugenics is a nazi/fascist thing. "Popular with the left" my arse.
You are just making stuff up now. Receipts please.

Of course you're trying to discredit her.

And that thread does the absolute opposite.

Page after page after page of upset, outraged, disappointed posie supporters.

furthermore, it's not a thread that shows any posts of posies. She's already banned.

It's a ten page thread of women wanting to reinstate her.

And from an historical point of view, absolutely fascinating. Seeing all the old posters there. Plus links to other peoples obsession with her. Like joss prior.

well worth a read.

This is an interesting article, I thought.

Eugenics – meaning ‘good breeding’ – was coined in 1883 by Sir Francis Galton to describe ‘the science which deals with all influences which improve the inborn …
Source: English Heritage
https://search.app/8KaaV3TryxseV7BT7 this has a good summary of eugenics, which seems to have been entertained by all political colours, then abandoned after the Nazi atrocities.

is the guardian a pure enough source for you?

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/17/eugenics-skeleton-rattles-loudest-closet-left

sadly great names such as Marie Stopes and Emmiline Pankhurst also spoke in favour of eugenics. Which just proves what many are saying here - just because you agree or even admire some people because of their stance on some things, does not mean you have to agree with everything they say and do.

Cat among pigeons there!

Yeah, well what’s that quote about the past being a foreign country and them doing things differently there?

It just shows that purity politics is bollocks. No one is perfect. Even Jesus lost his temper with the disciples at times.

Eugenics was sadly fairly popular across the spectrum. The Nazis took it to its logical conclusion and it was only then that people drew back, having seen what it leads to.

Some "progressives" were rather keen on fascism and Stalinism until the truth about those regimes came out.

Yes that's what I thought.
It is amazing the contortions some posters go to, to prop up their world view that all the ills of the world are down to "the left". Really very strange.

I don't need a "pure source", but thanks for finding an article. However it, and what you wrote, does not at all support the assertion that "Eugenics has a history of being popular amongst left-wingers, so I suppose sterilising autistic children and those who might grow up to be gay fits right in with a socialist perspective."

It's just an anti-Left projection by that poster, which was what I was objecting to.

It does prove that it was popular amongst left wingers though (as well as others across the political divide).

Here's a Guardian article about how the Swedes forcibly sterilised over 60,000 women between 1935 and 1976.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/from-the-archive-blog/2019/may/01/eugenics-founding-fathers-british-socialism-archive-1997

This was done in order to "improve Swedish "racial purity" as part of a policy of "ethnic hygiene"."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/mar/06/stephenbates

During this time the Social Democratic Party was in power. This is a centre-left party.

From that article:
But the reckoning cannot be confined to Scandinavia: Britain has some soul-searching of its own to do. What’s more, as in Sweden, the culprits are not long-forgotten fire-breathers of the far right. On the contrary: eugenics is the dirty little secret of the British left. The names of the first champions read like a roll call of British socialism’s best and brightest: Sidney and Beatrice Webb, George Bernard Shaw, Harold Laski, John Maynard Keynes, Marie Stopes, the New Statesman even, lamentably, the Manchester Guardian. Nearly every one of the left’s most cherished, iconic figures espoused views which today’s progressives would find repulsive.

Thus George Bernard Shaw could write: “The only fundamental and possible socialism is the socialisation of the selective breeding of man”. Later he mused that “the overthrow of the aristocrat has created the necessity for the Superman”. The revered pacifist, disarmer and philosophical titan, Bertrand Russell, dreamed up a wheeze that would have made even Nazi Germany’s eugenicists blush. He suggested the state issue colour-coded “procreation tickets”. Those who dared breed with holders of a different-coloured ticket would face a heavy fine. That way the high-calibre gene pool of the elite would not be muddied by any proletarian or worse, foreign, muck. The New Statesman agreed, explaining in July 1931: “The legitimate claims of eugenics are not inherently incompatible with the outlook of the collectivist movement. On the contrary, they would be expected to find their most intransigent opponents amongst those who cling to the individualistic views of parenthood and family economics.” The bottom line is bleak but clear. Eugenics, the art and science of breeding better men, is not just the historical problem of Germany and now Scandinavia, nor even of the jackbooted right. It took root right here in Britain – pushed and argued by the left. Indeed, contempt for ordinary people and outright racism were two of the defining creeds of British socialism.

Exactly. It was popular with the left, which is what you were asked to prove ('Eugenics is a nazi/fascist thing. "Popular with the left" my arse.').

The response then seemed to change position and rather than say, 'Oh yes, so it was popular with the left, as well as Nazis / facists, thank you for pointing that out', it suggests that just because it was popular across the political spectrum, that this means it wasn't popular with the left. When what the article shows is that it was popular with the left as well as with other political persuasions.

Nowhere did the original post say it was only popular with the left!

It's not anti-left projection. I have usually voted for left wing parties, but I draw the line at the current bunch who seem to want to turn the clock back 100 years to a time when eugenics was something supported by many socialists.

You can try and wipe out the past 1984-style if you want to, but you can't change what happened or the fact that some of us are aware of it.

Jonathan Freedland, in the article I linked to in my previous post, agrees with my statement that eugenics was popular with left-wingers at one time:

...eugenics is the dirty little secret of the British left. The names of the first champions read like a roll call of British socialism’s best and brightest: Sidney and Beatrice Webb, George Bernard Shaw, Harold Laski, John Maynard Keynes, Marie Stopes, the New Statesman even, lamentably, the Manchester Guardian. Nearly every one of the left’s most cherished, iconic figures espoused views which today’s progressives would find repulsive.

I draw the line at the current bunch who seem to want to turn the clock back 100 years to a time when eugenics was something supported by many socialists.

That is ridiculous. Completely and totally ridiculous.

I suppose its a good distraction from KJK and whether she supports Trump though.
I'm not replying regarding eugenics again because its a blatant derail.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1796931835823362392

I guess it's just coincidence her flyers are getting handed out at Tommy Robinsons rally. Also that there is pro-Trump chanting. Nothing to see here.

You can buy them on her website. She can't control what then happens to them.

Edit: https://www.letwomenspeak.org/school-leaflets-a5?utm_campaign=54ffe908-69b7-4c8b-8ee9-778f5fa6e8d1&utm_source=so&utm_medium=mail&cid=55451d2b-c589-4b56-a90d-1ca42cee3f46

Those who think that healthy children should have their puberty blocked because of gender issues are advocating for the sterilisation of those children. Many of those children are autistic or would grow up to be gay or lesbian. This is eugenics.

I don't want to vote for a party which advocates for the sterilisation of children. If Labour want people who care about the wellbeing of children to vote for them, they need to make it clear that they are not going to repeat the errors of the past.

That is not a Labour position- they will implement the Cass recommendations.
I don't think its particularly a "left" position either, as much as you like to assert it is. There are plenty of Conservative MPs that support trans rights including the first Trans MP. I have no idea why you insist on trying to portray this as a left wing thing. But good on you for plugging on.

Here you go:
https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2024/04/10/british-labour-says-it-will-implement-cass-findings-on-care-for-trans-children-if-it-wins-election/

Wes Streeting, Labour Shadow Secretary for Health: “Children’s healthcare should always be led by evidence and children’s welfare, free from culture wars,” he said. “The government must now immediately act, but if they do not, the next Labour government will work to implement the expert recommendations of the Cass review.”

Weird they've not come straight out to confirm they'll make the emergency measures enacted by Victoria Atkins permanent though, isn't it (assuming they win the next election)? That would've been easy to say. Streeting could've followed up what he previously said with, 'I'm delighted that the current Health Secretary has used her emergency powers to bring in legislation banning the use of puberty blockers on children, following the recommendations in the Cass report. If Labour win the general election, we'll immediately make the emergency three month legislation permanent.' I mean, it would be easy to be unequivocal on the matter, wouldn't it?

Those who think that healthy children should have their puberty blocked because of gender issues are advocating for the sterilisation of those children. Many of those children are autistic or would grow up to be gay or lesbian. This is eugenics.

This is almost the exact word for word argument I used with a Democratic party leader not long ago. My point was I really want to win the next election, I don't want Trump to win, and while the GOP is most certainly being very clever in using trans issues to rev up support for their party, the Democrats are falling for this hook, line, and sinker. Like a racing inverse, they become more 'affirming trans kids' the more the GOP pushes back against medicalizing children. Eventually, critical thinking people are going to put 2 and 2 together and realize it means the Dems are pushing eugenics. And I don't want all the other good the left does to get flushed away because they are so fucking blinded to gender ideology.