Venice Expelled from KLPA (Ladies Pond(

[MidnightPondSwimmer]

Venice has been expelled from the Ladies Pond. It means nothing really as they are just a stakeholder group, but it makes them look terrible like little authoritarian ignoramuses.

Here's Venice's tweet with their silly email. x.com/roseveniceallan/status/1795437142757532118?s=46

She'll still be able to swim, she just won't be allowed to attend the utterly pointless but entertaining AGM.

It's interesting because they sent an email round a few weeks ago asking members to agree to the constitution and if anyone failed to agree then they would be expected to leave the KLPA.

Thank you for clarifying. Shouting abuse at a speaker just because you disagree is likely a situation where someone should be removed.

Welcome to our world

This is perhaps where we differ.

I think that she most likely should have been ejected from that meeting after her protest However, it did look like it was at the end anyway. And I don't have a problem with people who want to legitimately peacefully protest at AGMs as long as it is peaceful and that the meeting can proceed.

In saying that, I don't believe that she should be permanently banned from future ones.

People shouting abuse at speakers. They are a different story.

I am sure Venice would not allow the transactivists who she ejected from her meeting to attend again. They were not shouting abuse. They stood up and chanted Transwomen are Women.

Ok. Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate it.

I think generally that if a single activist stood up and had something to say, that wasn't abusive, but was within the topic under discussion that it is not a bad thing usually to have them say their speech. It can be a discussion starter if it is that kind of event. I have been to an event that was peacefully protested before and the people protesting waited until the speaker had finished and was taking questions. They then started their speech. It was not abusive and their signs were not abusive either. It also was relevant to the event. They were removed and people resumed listening to the speakers.

I think it can be done well. However, as soon as abuse is involved, then it is not appropriate for them to continue.

Sometimes at AGMs, protests are relevant and are needed. That is where I baulk at permanently banning members from protesting peacefully.

"I am sure Venice would not allow the transactivists who she ejected from her meeting to attend again. They were not shouting abuse. They stood up and chanted Transwomen are Women."

Ok. Thanks again for the clarification.

Sometimes it is just not that hard, and doesn't require more than a glance. There are many different patterns. And again, this is a 'general' comment. Sometimes the pattern is simply the lack of clarity about a stance but taking the opportunity to scold a group and demonise or vilify the group at any opportunity. There is the occasion MRA on another board that I have realised is the same poster with the exact same arguments - but I have not seen him for a while.

I am not a name changer. I regret getting drawn into this. It came up on active.

It's a shame you regret getting drawn in. FWIW I've appreciated your posts for their context and info.

For what it is worth PinkDog, we did get the Sheila clip posted (I am going to watch that later on) because you mentioned Venice had ejected someone. That looks like a good one to watch.

@Helleofabore tsk deleted wonder why?

@MidnightPondSwimmer back to the issue i noted that the KLPA is a stakeholder group which presumably was set up by the Local Authority, for the purpose of “consultation”

There is nothing to prevent those who have an interest in the use of the pond setting up a new group, along the same lines with a management committee agreement and statement of objectives. To assert a sex based amenity.

This group could then approach the LA for recognition as a stakeholder group and take things from there.

I have seen locally stakeholder groups for eg around public transport where there is more than one stakeholder group.