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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Testosterone gives transmen incontinence, bladder & bowel problems

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/05/2024 16:25

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/26/trans-problems-urinary-bowel-incontinent-young-detransition/

The Telegraph reporting on worrying data showing that young women who've been persuaded that they've been "born in the wrong body" and are on cross sex hormones are experiencing major problems from their use with 95 per cent developing pelvic floor dysfunction.

"Around 87 per cent of the participants had urinary symptoms such as incontinence, frequent toilet visits and bed-wetting, while 74 per cent had bowel issues including constipation or being unable to hold stools or wind in. Some 53 per cent suffered from sexual dysfunction".

And our sainted NHS have been contributing to this without conducting any research.

Trans men taking testosterone getting ‘postmenopausal’ problems aged 28’

Study found many had bladder and bowel symptoms they would expect to see in a woman after the menopause

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/26/trans-problems-urinary-bowel-incontinent-young-detransition

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Slothtoes · 29/08/2025 09:51

What UK patient protection regulator is actually stepping in right now to stop this avoidable harm to women and to rectify this medical scandal by sanctioning those providing the access or advice regarding testosterone?

MrsWhattery · 29/08/2025 10:18

My sister transitioned around 5 years ago and now has stage 4 cancer. Everyone insists that it isn't related to the testosterone, but it's hard not to wonder.

Really sorry to hear this - I also have a female family member who transitioned recently, plus she's very overweight and middle-aged, and I'm really worried about the health implications of the testosterone.

I think the explosion of trans-identifyng younger females should now provide a clear study cohort for the coming years and decades - though of course we do know a good deal already from the sports doping effects, and it's not good.

childofthe607080s · 29/08/2025 10:25

Until you can identify features of brains that relate to a specific sex you can’t say homosexual brains are like those of the opposite sex

what features mark out the female brain ( before any nurture induced changes have occurred )

AliasGrace47 · 29/08/2025 10:27

childofthe607080s · 29/08/2025 10:25

Until you can identify features of brains that relate to a specific sex you can’t say homosexual brains are like those of the opposite sex

what features mark out the female brain ( before any nurture induced changes have occurred )

Have you read the articles I cited about gay people's brains?

AliasGrace47 · 29/08/2025 10:28

childofthe607080s · 29/08/2025 10:25

Until you can identify features of brains that relate to a specific sex you can’t say homosexual brains are like those of the opposite sex

what features mark out the female brain ( before any nurture induced changes have occurred )

This article also explains the differences well.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/jun/16/neuroscience.psychology

Gay men and heterosexual women have similarly shaped brains, research shows

Swedish neuroscientists say larger right hemisphere explains why straight men and lesbians are better at navigating

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/jun/16/neuroscience.psychology

AliasGrace47 · 29/08/2025 10:46

Scientists can reach different conclusions without being con artists, liars or pseudoscientists.

    I will reread them all tonight but I don't think they were any of those things 

Fwiw, Gina Rippon's research has been challenged.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=quillette.com/2019/03/29/denying-the-neuroscience-of-sex-differences/%23:~:text%3DRippon%2520tries%2520to%2520convince%2520you,This%2520is%2520false.&ved=2ahUKEwiF_Jv33a-PAxXBUkEAHSXaO7oQFnoECBoQBQ&usg=AOvVaw1gJYSgJ-TP_ZE7tE-AXe8c

https://www.google.com/url?opi=89978449&rct=j&sa=t&source=web&url=https%3A%2F%2Fquillette.com%2F2019%2F03%2F29%2Fdenying-the-neuroscience-of-sex-differences%2F%23%3A%7E%3Atext%3DRippon%2520tries%2520to%2520convince%2520you%2CThis%2520is%2520false.&usg=AOvVaw1gJYSgJ-TP_ZE7tE-AXe8c&ved=2ahUKEwiF_Jv33a-PAxXBUkEAHSXaO7oQFnoECBoQBQ

childofthe607080s · 29/08/2025 10:47

I asked for innate

our brains develop and various parts and aspects get enhanced because of the world we live in and our experiences

transwomen and women for example also have brain similarities- the area of the brain that stores trauma responses - women and transwomen and soldiers of either sex

BettyBooper · 29/08/2025 10:49

Oh look! Squirrel!

What the heck has this got to with testosterone being harmful to women?

Humans can't change sex. Men must stay out of women's spaces.

AliasGrace47 · 29/08/2025 10:53

BettyBooper · 29/08/2025 10:49

Oh look! Squirrel!

What the heck has this got to with testosterone being harmful to women?

Humans can't change sex. Men must stay out of women's spaces.

I am strongly GC and I do not want to distract or argue against the effects of T. But given I was challenged quite aggressively by someone who seemed to think acknowledging average sex differences in the brain was tantamount to sexualising children, I was entitled to defend myself.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 29/08/2025 10:55

A reminder that this thread details the appalling harm happening to young women's bodies because of their mistaken belief that a sex change is possible and will cure their considerable mental health issues. From the link in the OP:

"....young women who've been persuaded that they've been "born in the wrong body" and are on cross sex hormones are experiencing major problems from their use with 95 per cent developing pelvic floor dysfunction.
"Around 87 per cent of the participants had urinary symptoms such as incontinence, frequent toilet visits and bed-wetting, while 74 per cent had bowel issues including constipation or being unable to hold stools or wind in. Some 53 per cent suffered from sexual dysfunction".

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AliasGrace47 · 29/08/2025 10:59

More evidence for sex differences on average.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jnr.v95.1-2/issuetoc?ref=quillette.com

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-03-clues-brain-differences-males-females.html?ref=quillette.com

https://www.pnas.org/content/113/14/E1965.short?ref=quillette.com

https://www.pnas.org/content/113/14/E1965.short?ref=quillette.com

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2657466?ref=quillette.com

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/hbm.24462?ref=quillette.com

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4227509/?ref=quillette.com

Researchers discover clues to brain differences between males and females

Researchers at the University of Maryland School of Medicine have discovered a mechanism for how androgens—male sex steroids—sculpt brain development. The research, conducted by Margaret M. McCarthy, Ph.D., who Chairs the Department of Pharmacology, co...

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-03-clues-brain-differences-males-females.html?ref=quillette.com

NextRinny · 29/08/2025 11:31

Oh for heaven's sake.

A brain in a male body is male. A brain in a gay male body is male. No amount of similarities makes it female-like.
It's like those who count numbers of genes and tell us we are similar to frogs.

The brain is in a sexed body. This does not make it a sexed brain. Soon we will have female hearts and female livers and female eyes.
Yes we have typical differences in development but these organs are not lady organs.

nutmeg7 · 29/08/2025 12:03

OldCrone · 29/08/2025 08:41

From your first link.

All these measured differences are averages derived from pooling widely varying individual results. While statistically significant, the differences tend not to be gigantic. They are most noticeable at the extremes of a bell curve, rather than in the middle, where most people cluster. Some argue that we may safely ignore them.

Small differences, mainly at the extremes. This doesn't mean that they're not important in some circumstances, but in everyday situations they're irrelevant.

It also means that, if you are presented with a single brain scan to look at, and no other information, it is not possible to identify it as male or female.

The differences are small and apparant only at a population level i.e. when taken on average, but the spread or variation overlaps hugely between the sexes.

It is not possible to use an individual's brain scan to "diagnose" being gay, or transgender, or male or female.

lcakethereforeIam · 02/09/2025 14:22

YouTube flagged this for me

I don't know anything about the YouTuber who posted it and he doesn't appear on the excerpt, just makes an off-screen comment at the start.

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Butchyrestingface · 02/09/2025 14:28

That's terrifying and tragic. I know vaguely of one in real life. Since transitioning in her 30s she's developed serious facial adult acne and male pattern baldness. Which I thought was bad enough but the statistics about pelvic floor dysfunction resulting from these drugs is horrendous.

It's not surprising to hear the risks are being withheld from the patients since hard to countenance anyone willingly exposing themselves to this otherwise.

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