Testosterone gives transmen incontinence, bladder & bowel problems

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/26/trans-problems-urinary-bowel-incontinent-young-detransition/

The Telegraph reporting on worrying data showing that young women who've been persuaded that they've been "born in the wrong body" and are on cross sex hormones are experiencing major problems from their use with 95 per cent developing pelvic floor dysfunction.

"Around 87 per cent of the participants had urinary symptoms such as incontinence, frequent toilet visits and bed-wetting, while 74 per cent had bowel issues including constipation or being unable to hold stools or wind in. Some 53 per cent suffered from sexual dysfunction".

And our sainted NHS have been contributing to this without conducting any research.

Studies of castrati singers, human males castrated before puberty to preserve their high voices, have shown that they lived no longer than non-castrated male singers.

Have you got links to those studies, Chersfrozenface?

It's common knowledge, RoyalCorgi. The Guardian article references it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-19699266

Sorry I know it's an old thread, but this point is interesting. I don't think though that effeminate gay men or butch lesbians are just being gnc to attract partners.

Most are gnc from a young age, before they're attracted to anyone. And there's plenty of lesbian couples where both are feminine, or, less frequently, both masculine. I know less about gay men, but I'd guess the same applies to them to some degree.

I agree that attracting partners plays some role, but it's more complex. I see that w your comment about 'at a very deep level' you may mean it's more unconscious, but I still think it's more than just about attraction per se. It should also be remembered that butch lesbians & effeminate gay men have brains a bit more simular to the opposite sex than the average, so their attraction is just one of the things which is as a result different from the average person of their gender.

I read because I couldn't quite get your point then I read about the brains and it hit me like flat earth.

You want to say that girls have gendered brains from birth because at age 8 they rebelled against pony tails.
Take your sexualisation of young children back to wherever you crawled out of.

Imo there's 2 reasons for this. The hormonal imbalance- higher T for girls, lower for boys- that causes homosexuality& bisexuality, at least to some extent, is often caused by stress on the mother during pregnancy. It stands to reason that a child born to a stressed mother is more likely to be coming into an environment where they may be at risk of abuse.

Secondly, gnc children are often more likely to have less friends and be more vulnerable/bullied. Again, this makes them the kind of child abusers like to pick on.

These poor young women, what a vicious physical and emotional punishment. Their crime has only been being autistic and or attracted to women in a homophobic environment. It’s horrific.

Hmm! How is it sexualising young children to say that gay men and lesbians have brains more similar to the opposite sex? I literally said that young children do NOT feel attracted to people.

There is scientific evidence that gay men have partly feminised brains & lesbians partly masculinised brains.

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/brains-of-gay-people-resemble-those-of-straight-people-of-opposite-sex&ved=2ahUKEwjLpsLyta-PAxVOV0EAHS0dJZcQFnoECFEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0SOU4jIno4Xw0J3kWbhg00

www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/your-brain-on-food/202103/brain-differences-linked-to-sexual-orientation

And I'm talking about pronounced and persistent gnc behaviour, not just refusing ponytails. Stop strawmanning.

Sorry posted twice

And brains ARE gendered. Obvs there is variation, but the average woman and average man DO have measurable differences in their brains.

Differences in brain caused by external events like trauma

And physical size because women are smaller

no measurable statistically significant innate brain differences

take your gender sexism back to the dark Ages

You think Jennings' father may have abused him....?

Apart from size, what measurable differences are you referring to?

It's not gender sexism, it's fact. I don't know why FWR persists in stating that men & women's brains are on average the same. It's not just trauma or size

https://stanmed.stanford.edu/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different/

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/sax-on-sex/202405/ai-finds-astonishing-malefemale-differences-in-human-brain&ved=2ahUKEwi30aK5va-PAxW-VkEAHZv-EqYQFnoECEMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3vyZLkO9AnwwVQUPKcWpl1

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-brains-wired-differently#comments

That's been debunked. Try again.

stanmed.stanford.edu/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different/

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/sax-on-sex/202405/ai-finds-astonishing-malefemale-differences-in-human-brain&ved=2ahUKEwi30aK5va-PAxW-VkEAHZv-EqYQFnoECEMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3vyZLkO9AnwwVQUPKcWpl1

www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-brains-wired-differently#comments

No, it has not.

It's not gender sexism, it's fact. I don't know why FWR persists in stating that men & women's brains are on average the same. It's not just trauma or size

stanmed.stanford.edu/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different/

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/sax-on-sex/202405/ai-finds-astonishing-malefemale-differences-in-human-brain&ved=2ahUKEwi30aK5va-PAxW-VkEAHZv-EqYQFnoECEMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3vyZLkO9AnwwVQUPKcWpl1

www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-brains-wired-differently#comments

People are reading about it now with utter disbelief!

I hope in the future people will be reading about how the people who have suppressed this knowledge and deliberately encouraged young women to ruin their health were brought before tribunals and courts and given appropriate punishment up to and including prison sentences.

It’s obvious that men’s and women’s brains are different, just as other organs are different, because they exist in (binary) sexed bodies.
I’m willing to believe that some innate differences in female and male behaviour are the result of evolutionary pressures. To me, it would seem odd if this were not the case.
But to say that homosexual or effeminate men have brains more like women, and vice versa, seems like wishful thinking.

Since the Fife evidence I am not surprised at any strange beliefs and misinformation many medical professionals hold.

men are women.

you can’t tell a persons sex without checking their dna.

no one can tell if a man is a TIM or simply a very tall woman with receding hair , a deep voice , a history of accusing people of transphobia and of intruding into women only spaces.

From your first link.

All these measured differences are averages derived from pooling widely varying individual results. While statistically significant, the differences tend not to be gigantic. They are most noticeable at the extremes of a bell curve, rather than in the middle, where most people cluster. Some argue that we may safely ignore them.

Small differences, mainly at the extremes. This doesn't mean that they're not important in some circumstances, but in everyday situations they're irrelevant.

So by your reckoning any child born to mothers who have been through a traumatic pregnancy has a higher incidence of a child who is lesbian, gay or trans. Should be easy to check, there are enough conflicts in the world, and have been for many years, so tracing and identifying children born in those conflicts should give a pretty good indication of whether that theory stands up to scrutiny.

I think there is some evidence (from the sources upthread) that the brains of homosexual individuals tend to be more than averagely like those of the opposite sex, which, ironically, has confounded some research aimed at proving that transgender people's brains are 'wired that way'.

But it's just a population-level trend. You can't tell from a brain (scan) what sex someone is, because the characteristic being observed isn't bimodal.

Bimodal characteristics are things like possession of ovaries, grip strength, neck circumference, and endogenous T levels. With only one of these pieces of information, you could predict the person's sex with a high degree of confidence.

I don't understand @TempestTost's statement that there are cultures with pretty much zero incidence of homosexual behaviour, to the point it isn't even a taboo.

One of my 18yr olds schoolfriends has already started on testosterone. She's a little thing, clearly autistic (known the family since nursery) and already got a beard. At eight-fucking-teen. Her poor body still hasn't matured. Makes me so angry for her.

Another family seem to have had a near miss and their daughter appears to be ok now and out the other side without any medical intervention.

There was actually a German scientist, for one, who claimed that boys conceived during the heavy bombing of German towns in WW2 were more likely to be gay, though tbf his research was since challenged.

I wonder if this article was what TempestTost was referring to?

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/12/where-masturbation-and-homosexuality-do-not-exist/265849/

I've seen a 1960s table of cultures which didn't have various things, including homosexuality. Most of them have it now, though! Was that what you meant, TempestTost?