Testosterone gives transmen incontinence, bladder & bowel problems

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/26/trans-problems-urinary-bowel-incontinent-young-detransition/

The Telegraph reporting on worrying data showing that young women who've been persuaded that they've been "born in the wrong body" and are on cross sex hormones are experiencing major problems from their use with 95 per cent developing pelvic floor dysfunction.

"Around 87 per cent of the participants had urinary symptoms such as incontinence, frequent toilet visits and bed-wetting, while 74 per cent had bowel issues including constipation or being unable to hold stools or wind in. Some 53 per cent suffered from sexual dysfunction".

And our sainted NHS have been contributing to this without conducting any research.

Agree. Terrible damaging parenting. That child was exploited and used. The tv shows and publicity are also said to have contributed to the explosion in young children being pushed into transitioning socially and medically.

I don't know if there's been an actual study, I should imagine that might be quite difficult. But I do know the Tavistock had a reason to believe that the children they were dealing with were mostly gay. And since it involved the use of puberty blockers, I'm assuming they were prepubescent.

They said they didn't think there will be any gay youth left at this rate.

All because of a sparkly,rainbow bathing costume.

Yes I believe he was three or four and wanted to wear a tutu. That was enough apparently.

He had a massive fan base and would do public talks about being transgender.

The zeitgeist was such, that his mum grabbed it with both hands. And filmed absolutely everything about his transition.

i've just checked, it's now on season eight, and the last episode was last year.

So they're still cashing in.

According to Jazz's mum, at 2 Jazz asked when the good fairy was going to come and turn his penis into a vagina.

Jazz' first TV appearance was aged 6.

That poor, poor kid!

Also at 2022 Alloa - from around the 15 minute mark.

I tried to be supportive of my child when they went non binary at university. Several years later they have cut me off completely on social media and had a mastectomy. I hurt so much not being able to see them. I want to know they are OK. Want to have them as part of the family. Want to send them cards, visit them etc. They have a glitter family now. I struggled with pronouns and buying into the ideology, but I tried hard to keep a relationship with them. I gave birth to them and want to send a birthday card but think it will go straight into the bin. Should I still send cards or respect their wish to go NC? They showed no sign of anything out of the ordinary as a child.

That's awful Estrangedfromadultchild, I'm so sorry. In your position I would keep sending cards occasionally, saying you're there for them if they ever want to talk or need your help - not all the time but a couple of times a year maybe. It's OK to not want to go along with something that makes no sense and instinctively feels wrong to you – you have feelings too.

Also, while I know they won't welcome it now, I do think it can be a lifeline for people who realise being trans or having the surgery hasn't solved all their problems, if they start to question the whole thing. They know there's someone in their life who is outside the ideology so if they need to reach out they know that person is there and will support them or be a listening ear. The problem with the "glitter family" is that in many cases it isn't unconditional - it depends on staying within the ideology and not questioning it. Lots of detransitioners have talked about how they were unable to raise how they felt in their transactivist circles. So being there for if your child has a change of mind is important, as thankless as it feels.

There is no evidence I have ever seen that this applies to kids transitioned by parents as preschoolers. This is a very different group than kids at 8 or 9 or 10 who seem to be struggling with gender identification. Preschoolers aren't struggling at all, they are there because of the parents.

Lots and lots of little boys will play with dolls or wear a princess dress and a tiara and it does not mean that they grow up to be gay or even effeminate.

This idea that you can pin down a kids likely sexuality at 3 is part of the problem here.

Everything that happens after a kid like Jazz is socially transitioned by the parents is a reflection of the social transition. Mainly dating boys as a supposed girl with no sexual development, especially when the parents seem to have been homophobic, isn't a result of the child being "really" gay.

Yes I believe he was three or four and wanted to wear a tutu. That was enough apparently.

Enough to assume he would grow up to be gay?

@Estrangedfromadultchild I'm so sorry, that is awful.

So long as you know where they live, I'd sent the occasional card (or text/email if you have those details).

Is there a mutual friend or other family member that they're in touch with, so that you can at least know that they are okay?

I honestly think young adults have no idea how much they hurt their parents when they do things like this. The realisation of your parents' vulnerability only really comes as you mature yourself, IME.

So true and so disturbing. What the hell are these so called medical professionals and psychologists doing allowing this to happen. Parents like this should be bluntly told to let your kid just be instead of filling their heads with nonsense.

No, enough for his mother to decide he was a girl

The parents might be cashing in. But Jazz himself is in a very sad situation.

here are some 'highlights' from the show, which TLC thought fit to present as a life-affirming family show:

1. Jazz's mother threatens on camera to sexually assult him with a plastic implement if he does not perform post-surgical dilation of his neovagina to her imposed schedule
2. Jazz is blamed and mocked on camera for his 170lb weight gain, depression and binge eating disorder. These are presented as Jazz's fault, despite the fact that there are compelling anecdata that weight gain and depression are side effects of puberty blockers and long term oestrogen use
3. Jazz admits on camera that he is anorgasmic and has never experienced any kind of sexual feeling or desire - he is now well into his 20s
4. Jazz is forced on camera into performing a raunchy dance at a drag show despite having an emotional meltdown at the prospect
5. Jazz is forced on camera by his sniggering family to discuss the intimate details of 'dates' he has been on with a range of strangers, which TLC have set up for him
6. Jazz is forced to postpone his start date at university after an unspcified mental health crisis which certain comments made by his family on screen imply was so severe as to be potentially life threatening
7. Jazz appears to have difficult with his joints, movement and balance - again, anecdata suggest this could be the result of testosterone suppression in puberty. He appears to have some difficulty walking.
8. We see an underage Jazz forced to enter a room ALONE with a plastic surgeon who lasciviously looks between his legs and says he looks like a porn star. No parent enters the examining room with Jazz. The doctor closes the door.
9. Jazz is filmed coming round after a gruelling 8 hour surgery to repair his severely damaged and infected neovagina. We see him screaming in pain.

Jazz is not well. He's a victim of abuse, imo. And it was all done for a TV show.

I was replying to @Datun who said:

Given his parents considered him a girl, because he was such a feminine boy and that being gay is a strong indication that these children will be identified as trans, I think it's a pretty educated guess that he would've grown up to be a gay man.

At 3 or 4, we shouldn't assume anything about a child's future sexuality from their behaviour. How many posts have there been on here from parents saying that their child pretended to be a dog or cat or some other animal or inanimate object at that age? At 3 or 4 it's just imaginative play. It means nothing.

No. One of mine was so effeminate (hair clips, tutus, sparkles, Sylvanians, dolls) that we were slightly startled when he mentioned his first girlfriend as a teen.

He did quite strongly express a wish that he was a girl at age 3, and had a female alter ego. At 11 he again said he wished he was a girl, probably because he was bullied for not being a footballing boy. Luckily we must have been just before the main thrust of trans ideology, so he got to adulthood whole.

I hope Jazz sues his parents to oblivion.

Well that's a depressing read.

Jazz never stood a chance of growing up into a happy healthy adult. That his entire childhood of abuse has been filmed, with some abuse manufactured just to improve viewing ratings is hard to comprehend as a outside observer. I doubt Jazz is ever going to be able to realise just how badly abused he was.

All those surgeries and medications and mental health problems all so he can apparently live his best life as a woman! I fear Jazz won't make old bones.

What's happened to Jazz, and Jackie Green and all the other similar cases, is beyond my comprehension. We have two children, a few years older than Jazz. If we had had concerns about either of them when they were very young, we'd have sought medical advice but we wouldn't just have accepted uncritically anything that seemed odd or counter-intuitive. We'd have wanted a lot of assurance that what we were being advised was backed up by good research and years of success in clinical practice.

If Jazz's parents had done this, back in the very early 2000s (Jazz was born in 2000) my understanding is that they would have found out that the standard treatment for gender dysphoria in children and teenagers in preceding decades was watchful waiting, not social transition, and certainly not disrupting their normal hormones or putting them through surgery.

They would have been told that research showed that in most cases gender dysphoria resolved once the child was through puberty, i.e. the dysphoric child became a non-dysphoric adult who was no longer distressed by their sexed body.

They would also have been told that in a tiny handful of cases the dysphoria continued into adult life, and in that case, the adult might decide, after years of counselling and therapy, to take artificial hormones and/or have surgery, but that only a minority of dysphoric adult men did this, and the outcomes weren't great (in any respect, physically or psychologically or socially).

Articles about the Dutch puberty blocker protocol started to be published at the very end of the 1990s, so that was still very experimental when Jazz was first taken to a gender specialist.

I've never watched I am Jazz but I gather that one of the first gender 'experts' consulted was a relative. Is this even ethical? It may well have been a factor in why the parents went along with the medical intervention route.

Malcolm Clark has a trenchant article on Jazz here. https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/08/20/the-tragedy-of-jazz-jennings/

Article about I am Jazz from several years ago by an endocrinologist. A voice in the wilderness in the US, sadly. https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/04/21220/?fbclid=IwAR3rD5yqhydMeHdyaOxrXmx8c-rStXursNyZFRR0Hr6A-9C82fiP2VTev1g

He's had a few 'corrective' surgeries too if I'm not mistaken.

I am so sorry for your loss.
It is like a cult, and people do grow up and leave cults. Sending a birthday card lets them know you do care about them.
Having said that I hope you have some support in the real world who knows the details and can help you decide what to do.

The fact that most pre-pubertal children with gender dysphoria end up being lesbian and gay adults is based on good quality research. Wearing a tutu is also not evidence of gender dysphoria, most children at that age are just playing and learning when they dress up.

The point I really meant to make was that Jazz could be a healthy and happy young adult now, capable of forming loving relationships and having a fulfilling sex life. The reason I have mentioned the gay/lesbian aspect is that as a lesbian it is particularly concerning to see how this issue is disproportionately affecting L&G young people. We began to understand that homosexuality is not an illness long ago, but society now turns a blind eye when children are castrated and mutilated, as long as they identify or are identified as transgender.

Again it really wasn’t the main point I was trying to make, which is just how much has been stolen from Jazz. Not only his physical and mental health, but the love, family and sexual fulfilment we understand to be crucial for well-being in adulthood.

People were right to point out that I made an assumption when saying he would be a gay man, but not to deny the link between gender dysphoria in children and high rates or homosexuality in adolescence/adulthood.

Poor, poor child. I say child, despite his age, because that is what he is and will always remain due to the medical malpractice inflicted on him.

The callousness with which his family have treated him is beyond belief. Even disregarding the effects of the hormones they were pumping into him, obesity is a common problem for people struggling with mental illness. To see that as something to mock a disturbed and struggling young person for is the height of cruelty.

It is also hard to believe how they have both castrated him, preventing any hope of normal sexual function or attraction, and also sexually abused and objectified him. That video of his mother threatening to rape him (frankly how else could I describe a threat to force a dilator into a child’s genitals - surgically created or otherwise) is one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen.

The fact that most pre-pubertal children with gender dysphoria end up being lesbian and gay adults is based on good quality research.

Can you post a link? I've not seen any research about this, although as others have mentioned, whistleblowers from GIDS were concerned about the fact that many (or most) of the adolescents referred to them were same-sex attracted.