Testosterone gives transmen incontinence, bladder & bowel problems

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/26/trans-problems-urinary-bowel-incontinent-young-detransition/

The Telegraph reporting on worrying data showing that young women who've been persuaded that they've been "born in the wrong body" and are on cross sex hormones are experiencing major problems from their use with 95 per cent developing pelvic floor dysfunction.

"Around 87 per cent of the participants had urinary symptoms such as incontinence, frequent toilet visits and bed-wetting, while 74 per cent had bowel issues including constipation or being unable to hold stools or wind in. Some 53 per cent suffered from sexual dysfunction".

And our sainted NHS have been contributing to this without conducting any research.

Sorry for my ignorance, but does taking testosterone automatically deplete your levels of oestrogen?

This is what it says in the article:
Taking testosterone may accelerate the menopausal process because it stops the ovaries from functioning and reduces the amount of oestrogen the body produces.

Thanks, OldCrone - I was just reading that bit! Had a sudden thought of "why don't I read the article before commenting".

Some more technical information here: https://www.breastcanceruk.org.uk/resource-for-transgender-people/

Thank you, Rethinking. It all just feels like one massive unregulated experiment. "I wonder what would happen if we gave young women huge quantities of a male hormone?" "Dunno, let's just do it and see how it turns out."

IT’S SO BLOODY FUCKING OBVIOUS! NO ONE WHO TRAINED AS A DOCTOR CAN PRETEND THEY COULDN’T GUESS TESTOSTERONE WOULD DAMAGE FEMALE BODIES!

Sorry to shout. It was that or start screaming and smashing furniture.

It has always been so bloody obvious. It doesn’t even require specialist medical knowledge — anyone could have guessed. Medical experimentation on uninformed adolescents.

God, I can’t wait for the lawsuits to start pouring in.

This is sickening to read. Healthy girls and women mutilating their bodies with the blessing of our medical profession. Makes me so angry. We also know that early menopause can put you at an increased risk of cancers and osteoporosis amongst other problems. My daughter never learned about this on her various online groups but was given plenty of advice on removing her breasts and uterus when she was a mixed up, anxious 16 year old. I made sure to give her the facts though!

In years to come, people will be reading about this appalling, irresponsible experiment with utter disbelief.

That's exactly what's happened. Along with - "I wonder whether we can construct a functioning penis from arm tissue?"

The majority of these young people are extremely mentally vulnerable with a range of self harm, eating disorders, depression and other mental health problems. And the responsible adults surrounding them (medics, psychologists, counsellors teachers, politicians and sometimes parents), instead of protecting them and ensuring that their vulnerabilities are addressed, literally point them in the direction of deeply dangerous organisations and encourage them undergo experimental brutal surgery and take untested drugs to achieve what?

Sterility, infertility, botched surgery and life long incontinence.

But it has been well known since those poor East German female athletes all suffered terribly and died prematurely due to being given testosterone. As pp said, it is all in Sharron Davis' book.
Look at the cardiac and stroke risk in young men who take oestrogen. The risk of sight loss. It is horrendous. It is much more well known in USA.

It's 2044.

We finally have a public inquiry. It's led by Ben Cooper who has come out of retirement.

The NHS is asked questions about why these unevidenced treatments were delivered. They don't remember.

Fade to black and plus ça change.

And that's the best outcome. In the increasingly plausible 2044, women under the age of 16 will believe that we've always lived in Gilead, Under His Eye, and in this best of all possible worlds we can all be wherever we want on the gender spectrum now that sex has been disproved as a concept.

Many of us will cease to be part of the becardiganed monolith and be seen walking alone, mumbling to ourselves, in an actual or drug-induced gulag. Because whatever is happening culturally, you can be sure that hysterical women are at the heart of it and they just need the soothing balm of male intellect, some compulsory education or some reality-rearranging drugs to be coerced able to live with it.

NB: I've lightly adapted this from the dystopia about the NHS Trust instructing nurses to change with whomever self-identifies into their changing room. It's currently striking me as flexible enough to cover much of public life and public services.

I hadn't heard about the increased cancer risk. Do you know of any links to related articles?

My sister transitioned around 5 years ago and now has stage 4 cancer. Everyone insists that it isn't related to the testosterone, but it's hard not to wonder.

Are there other treatments where the patients, their families, the organisations that were created to represent them and the clinicians who treated them were so resistant to research into the effects of medication?

Stephen Whittle for example, has actively campaigned for trans people to write to their care providers and withhold their consent for any research.

How can there be larger studies when the patient group is so resistant to any kind of investigation?

How can they have truly informed consent without them?

Have we ever had a "medical condition" where the treatments were solely dictated by political activists / extremists? Including child healthcare?

no one yet to tell us this is all a confected panic about nothing? Why is that then?

And that's the best outcome. In the increasingly plausible 2044, women under the age of 16 will believe that we've always lived in Gilead

It’s already happening that young people have zero comprehension of how things were 30 years ago. I can totally understand how brainwashing works. I had a conversation with an 18 year-old the other day who was having issues with a furry at his college who had reported him for not referring to her as “it”. When I told him that trans was a very recent fashion trend and back when I was at school nobody was trans or non-binary he looked at me like I was a bit naïve and said something along the lines of they were probably all just in the closet. He wasn’t being judgmental but he had clearly had it drummed into him that “trans has always existed but people are so much more accepting now than in the nasty 70s”. It was really hard to explain that it literally wasn’t a thing even in a closeted hidden way and that zero children were identifying as the opposite sex.

The WPath leaks discussed a cancer case in a young female transitioner on testosterone that the clinician admitted probably was a result of testosterone.

have you read it? Happy to link up the thread with the document and other links too if you have not.

Not to mention the complication rate of phalloplasty.

I have been looking for further studies that show a connection between that early menopause also may cause early dementia by the time the female patients reach their forties. Which will be in decades to come, and may remain hidden.

These poor girls and young women. They needed true love, support and psychological care. Instead doctors pumped them full of poison, cut off their breasts and mutilated their genitalia. It’s the modern day equivalent to lobotomy.

Any woman who has started peri has a serious lesson about how every cell of women's bodies needs oestrogen.

Sleep? Joints? Mood? Being continent? It's a harsh lesson (and I just thought it would be some hot flushes)

This was totally predictable.

I see this with my kids too. I tell them otherwise but they don't necessarily believe me.

But it's not a new phenomena. You see the same thing about sexual behaviour and sexuality - people under a certain age will say, totally believing it, that current sexual categories and behaviours are consistent across time and cultures, which is clearly untrue.

As an example - my partner is not from here, and where he grew up as a young man, oral sex was pretty much unheard of. It never occurred to him that it was something regular people did or expected until he moved here as a young man. I mentioned this in passing to my sister - and she was shocked. In part because the sexual culture where he grew up isn't particularly restrictive or prudish, on the contrary some would consider it permissive. But she also assumed that this was just something people had always done, and claims otherwise were controlling lies.

I see the same thing now with younger people and anal sex. Or people not believing that there are cultures with pretty much zero incidence of homosexual behaviour, to the point it isn't even a taboo.

We all tend to believe that the way we think and feel is more universal than it often is.

Except you could create reasonable hypotheses about what may happen. It’s not like no-one could foresee there would likely be serious health implications and what some of those may be.

There was a great podcast with Mia Hughes (who wrote the WPATH files) on lobotomy recently and the parallels with gender medicine.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9XNHh-NZmlo&t=1768s&pp=ygUTTG9ib3RvbXkgbWlhIGh1Z2hlcw%3D%3D

First do no harm eh?