Emma Corrin and 'homophobia'

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Emma Corrin claims to have experienced homophobia since 'coming out' as non-binary.

Emma Corrin is in a relationship with Rami Malek.

Make it make sense.

I know, but that doesn't magically give it a different definition!

She is bisexual.

https://uk.style.yahoo.com/emma-corrin-opens-up-non-binary-identity-gender-fluidity-094140603.html#:~:text=Corrin%20also%20opened%20up%20about,ve%20been%20bi%20for%20ages.%E2%80%9D

I think a lot of self-defined queer people would disagree with your definition of the word queer to mean 'not heterosexual'. As would I- I'm not heterosexual, but I'm not queer.

As I said, since there is no definition of it, it is a meaningless word, as people can use it to mean whatever they want it to mean.

I'd urge you not to use the word queer to describe anyone who hasn't used it to describe themselves, as a lot of LGB people really don't like it.

There is NO agreed definition of the word queer.

I'd urge you not to use the word queer to describe anyone who hasn't used it to describe themselves, as a lot of LGB people really don't like it.

I don't, but if I were to (conditional sentence) there are two outcomes:
they'd think I was talking about someone who isn't straight
they'd think I was talking about someone who isn't straight, and that I'd used a slur

Nevertheless, regardless of vocabulary, Emma Corrin identifies as bisexual, therefore can validly experience homophobia. Whether or not the writer of the article applied the correct term to what was said.

She doesn't say that; she says, "I like people," which is pleasantly vague.

I'd imagine a non-binary person would identify as pansexual rather than bisexual, anyway.

Corrin also opened up about how their family reacted when they came out, revealing that they were supportive and recalling how after they told their mum they were dating a girl, their younger brother messaged them saying: “Hey, I wanted to say welcome, because I’ve been bi for ages.”

A female who dates girls and boys is bisexual, regardless of how they "identify"

It just suits the narrative better to think "she's straight with blue hair" or whatever

I'm another one who find the word queer offensive. Having listened to my homophobic father using it as a slur i would not be happy having it used about me.

I don't think disagreeing that NB is a thing is homophobic. I don't think saying a female NB person who is with a male is heterosexual is homophobic. But I'm sure a NB person can still suffer homophobia if the insults are based on sexual orientation as they are sexually active with a same sexed person

I don't think saying a female NB person who is with a male is heterosexual is homophobic.

It absolutely is homophobic, though. Not even touching the NB status, it's erasing someone's whole experience of their sexuality. What a shame you don't recognise this.

"Women should not be suffering abuse because they are different. Feminists should be supporting them, not denying and minimising the abuse because they aren't a pure enough victim, and attacking other feminists for daring to disagree." There is an implication here that 'proper feminists' support women and that posters in this thread aren't doing that i.e. they are 'bad feminists'

I'd suggest the vast majority of posters don't say 'it's just sexism, just ignore it.' , They are saying it 'is sexism, not homophobia'. They'd like to see the journalist and EC recognise it as sexism. They consider repackaging it as something other than sexism as misogynistic.

EC's identity as NB is entirely relevant to the discussion, It's entirely relevant that people question what she is characterising as abuse. Would she consider your continued reference to her as a woman subject to sexism abuse? As you don't validate her identity or use her preferred pronouns?

I agree that, if EC has dated women, they can validly experience homophobia, but at the risk of repeating myself for the 18th time, the homophobia claim made by the reporter was as a result of EC coming out as non-binary, NOT as a result of dating a woman. Homophobia is targeted at homosexuals, not non-binary people.

If a black gay person experiences racism, they don't call it homophobia just because they also happen to be gay.

Yes I think feminists should support women Hardly a shocker is it. I was making a broader point about how this thread has gone rather than saying people are "bad feminists" for not supporting EC.

I don't know why so many posters are so desperate to dismiss the potential that she has had homophobic abuse. I've seen nothing to suggest the journalist was lying and lots to suggest that EC is read as gay and therefore vulnerable to homophobia.

I'm not sure what preferred pronouns have to do with anything, but I'm sure you know what you mean

Then your argument is surely with the writer of the piece? Not sure what that makes the majority of this thread.

BTW people only get approval of the text - even in pieces such as this - if it's negotiated by their agent. Tends to be absolute A-listers. I'd be surprised if EC approved it, they might be just as pissed off as you are.

Ah lovely. The 'I struggle to wear bras' article. 'Now here I am in a series of bras'. Essentially, to steal a line "these are not serious people"

She's posted it on her insta. I doubt she's pissed off

'Would you like a ham roll?'

'No thank you,I'm a non binary vegan'.

Yes, it is, as I mentioned back on page 6 of this thread.

However, I do also feel that EC had a responsibility to correct the interviewer for misusing the term 'homophobia'.

Also, and this is totally off topic, but... why did you feel the need to announce you were using a conditional sentence?!

What about Rami. What is he now. Is he still heterosexual or is he now pansexual because his girlfriend is non-binary? Or if he secretly believes she’s a girl and likes seeing her in a bra is he still hetro? Or, is it a load of horseshit.

My friends daughter who has been in a long term relationship with her boyfriend since school is in a ‘queer relationship’. Maybe because they both have nose rings or something.

Wow... kind of amazing to see posters who usually claim other people's perceptions of you don't matter because it's all about how you identify inside, arguing in this case that other people can react to their perception of you regardless of who you actually are.

Does this mean we can all finally acknowledge that female people need female-only provisions because of how society treats female people, and male people don't need the same provisions even if they happen to believe themselves to be "women" on the inside?

yes, that's what I said. What part of that involves trying to silence her talking about her negative experiences?

The part where you claim the "vitriol" aimed at her is other people saying NB is BS. On the basis of no evidence except your views on GI.

I’m straight. In the 90s, when I had a buzz cut, someone graffitied “lesbian cunt” on my house wall. Wasn’t that homophobia?

Yes, it was. That was because someone thought you were a lesbian. It wasn't in response to you coming out as non-binary.

Have you read the thread, out of interest? Or at least my posts?

I have now. It seems Emma got a buzz cut in 2023. For lots of people, woman with buzz cut = lesbian. Stupid, but true. They don’t need to have any idea who she is dating or who she is or what she identifies as to think that. She could well have experienced homophonic insults since “coming out” as non-binary, but correlation as we all know, does not equal causation. I’d lay money on it being the haircut.