Emma Corrin and 'homophobia'

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Emma Corrin claims to have experienced homophobia since 'coming out' as non-binary.

Emma Corrin is in a relationship with Rami Malek.

Make it make sense.

'Being vocally queer' - again, this is meaningless. In what sense is she 'queer'? Also, unshaved armpits have been a thing since the 60s and are culturally perfectly normal in many countries outside the UK. Nothing 'queer' about that and no evidence that she's being abused for it.

Sounds to me like you're trying to use the spectre of VAWG as leverage to try to silence women here on the insanity of Gender Ideology?

Telling everyone you're queer in case they don't notice?

This is sexism. It is not homophobia. Or are you implying only lesbians have armpit hair?

And none of that vitriol is homophobia or unique to Emma because she identifies as non binary. It's just sexism, which is nothing new.

OK. So she should shut up about it. I see.

The painful thing about TRAs is how poorly they make an argument.

@AdamRyan this is called a straw man argument. It's where you build a straw man (make a point that nobody has made) just to knock him down. It might make you feel like you're winning but it just makes you look silly. Emma can and should highlight sexism. She should be supported in that. What we disagree with is the attempt to distance herself from regular boring women by reframing sexism as 'homophobia' or transphobia' because she's 'not like other girls'. That's Emma being sexist herself and it's tragic.

Nope. She should accept it's sexism, because she's a woman. She can't, because she doesn't 'identify as a woman', so it has to be packaged as something 'other'. Minimising the abuse women actually face, however they identify.

I'm pointing out that silencing women talking about their negative experiences is a tale as old as time and its disappointing to see it on a feminist board, being portrayed as acceptable because EC identifies as "non binary".

You said
"The point for me is there's no such thing in reality as 'non-binary' - EC is free to call herself that, and others are free to say it's bs. I expect that's what she means by 'vitriol'"

Don't backtrack and pretend you meant something else when you are called on it.

Disagreeing, critiquing even taking the piss isn't 'silencing' anyone

Yes, the Feminism board is just FULL of women who think women should shut up about sexism.

She hasn't given it a label. The journalist who wrote the article said they'd seen homophobic posts on EC Instagram.

I am not on Instagram, so no idea what the journalist was referring to. But I'm not going to gloss over someone noting what they call "homophobic abuse" towards a woman just because that woman identifies as NB.

You should ask yourselves why you are so keen to do that. Because it isn't about "womens rights" in any sense.

Yes, if those women aren't GC, or are trans men/NB, that's exactly what this board does.

We'll have to agree to strongly disagree on that point.

You've repeatedly claimed that women here have sought to silence EC. That they are somehow 'bad feminists' because they 'fail to support her'. They haven't. They've challenged the claim that EC faces homophobic abuse. A claim made by the journalist and not challenged by EC either at the time or later.
I mean she could have said "of course I face abuse & vitriol for the way I look. Women always do", but then that wouldn't be very 'on brand'. It's EC who is denying sexism here not the people on the thread.

More broadly. EC has chosen to make her NB status central to who she is. She claims this makes her a bit of a 'hero' (I'm editorialising, for the literalists) as she's approached by people 'in the community' who find her inspirational. She uses her very large platform to push the dangerous practice of breast binding. She claims to find it difficult to wear a bra for a role, but finds no problem in stripping down to a bra for a glossy magazine. And yet you're getting pissy with the women on MN who might think she's a bit of a dick. Maybe you should ask yourself why you're so keen to do that.

Q: How do you know that the person you are talking to is NB?

A: Don't worry. They'll tell you soon enough.

Given your username, I have to ask if you're a man? Because if you are, your pontificating about feminism and how women should support each other is a bit sickening. If you're a woman, you're just being a bit silly.

No. I haven't actually.

No. I'm a feminist woman who recognises misogyny when they see it.

Haven't what? Accused women of silencing other women? Accused women of thinking EC should 'shut up'? Told women that by discussing this they are failing to support other women? You certainly have.

Bisexual is queer, right? Or have I gone mad?

There is no definition of what queer is or isn't, but no, bisexual is not necessarily queer. I am a lesbian and would not describe myself as queer; some straight people describe themselves as queer. It's essentially a meaningless term.

As another mumsnetter said, "Sometimes queer means straight with blue hair."

But for the majority of interested people, it essentially means (currently means) 'not heterosexual' and while I appreciate everyone has the right to not use a term for themselves if they don't like its history - or for any reason - if I say 'Emma Corrin is queer' people will understand I mean 'not heterosexual'. It's really quite something to utterly redefine the word as it's currently used.

Well, for a lot of people it's an offensive slur.

That they are somehow 'bad feminists' because they 'fail to support her'. No I haven't. I've pointed out the inherent misogyny, anti-trans and anti-gay sentiments being posted.

Are you saying you think this thread is a balanced critique of the EC article?

Most people have completely misrepresented it and said she's complaining about homophobic abuse. Then said she's misunderstood questioning about her NB status as vitriol. Then said "it's just sexism" as if she should just ignore it. That looks like misogyny and minimising womens experiences to me.

There have also been posters implying me and another poster are men, TRAs and making stuff up, for daring to point out that GNC people could suffer homophobic abuse even if they aren't homosexual. That's called shutting down women. I notice the other poster has left the thread, I'm not surprised.