More idiocy from Wales

[Chersfrozenface]

Hot on the heels on New Zealand, Wales enters the lists.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68731593

Some selected paragraphs.

"Europe's biggest annual LGBTQ+ multi-sports event will be held in Cardiff in 2027.

The Welsh capital will be the first UK city to host the EuroGames."

"The EuroGames tournament is governed by the European Gay and Lesbian Sport Federation and is a "sports for all" event, meaning it is open to everyone, regardless of sexual orientation, gender identity, age and skill level.

"Charlotte Galloway, chair of Cardiff Dragons, Wales' first mixed gender LGBTQ+ football club, said all athletes can compete as their "authentic selves".

"People are allowed to identify and play in their authentic gender," she said.

"So that means that trans women can play in the women's category and trans men can play in the men's category - I think it's really important that we're able to do this because there's no other competition that's this big in Europe that allows gender non-conforming people, trans people and non-binary people to compete this way."

Still, it's clear what exactly this is.

And all those women who are fiiiiine with changing and competing with men can participate, knowing what the terms are. After all, it's not the winning that's important, it's the taking part.

If the city council and Welsh Government funded sporting events for biological women only in addition, that might be fair enough.

The Welsh Government criticised the Welsh Rugby Union for banning transwomen from women's rugby (March last year). So what do you think are the chances are of it funding sporting events for biological women only?

@Helleofabore any female (the real kind) paying to go to this event knows they are being discriminated against, even if they won't admit it. If they are ok with that, why shouldn't we be? It doesn't impact actual women's sport at all. Basically, every category is mixed, they've just chosen not to call them that.

Personally I think it’s okay to spend public money on an event for a specific group that not everyone can or will attend.
im GC but I do support this event. Its honest, not involving deception or intrusion.

@thecanadianloon no woman who objects to having to compete against males would pay to attend this event. As has been pointed out, this is a pay-to-play event for trans people and their allies. We rightly object to transwomen competing in women's categories in public sporting contests. I don't see on what possible grounds anyone can object to this pay-to-play event which is not sanctioned by any official sports governing body. If someone wants to pay €120 to be beaten by a bloke in a bike race then that's their perogative.

EDIT: I got transmen/women the wrong way round AGAIN!

Women can lawfully discriminate against men in sport because men have an athletic performance advantage due to their sex. There is a specific provision in the EA which makes the exclusion of all men from women's sport lawful.

Positive action (not positive discrimination) is lawful when it is aimed at increasing the participation of an underrepresented or disadvantaged group which shares a PC. Men are not an underrepresented group in sport. (Neither are lesbians, for that matter, though they are disadvantaged as women.) LGBT is not a PC, it's not even a sensible sporting category. Gender Reassignment and Sexual Orientation are separate PCs.

@BellaAmorosa "There is a specific provision in the EA which makes the exclusion of all men from women's sport lawful."

It doesn't mean it is compulsory.

Can I point out that if hypothetically you could prevent this event taking place because you disagreed with it, then trans sports people would be able to say "We tried to create our own sporting event, and it got shut down." This would add credence to the argument that they should be able to participate in all sporting events under their own terms even if that causes disruption and disadvange to others.
Accepting, and even encouraging, them to host their own events where they can choose any rules they want seems to me to be a win win for everyone.

I didn't say it was. If you read the post I am replying to, you will see that I am correcting the pp on the legal basis for excluding men from women's sport.

I'm not in favour of preventing it taking place.

I'm not in favour of public funding for it, either, unless public funding is equally available for events for biological women only. (And why the fuck do I have to use that adjective to make myself clear?)

I'm still allowed to think, and say, that as a competitive event it's a nonsense

@Chersfrozenface the Welsh government is funding the Para Sport Games in Swansea this year. All the sex-segregated sports (triathlon, rugby, judo) are properly sex-segregated as their governing bodies require it.

The Welsh Government also funds Sport Wales which funds many welsh athletes who compete in strictly sex-segregated sports.

I’d be surprised if it ever happens TBH.

@borntobequiet well, it's happened every year since 1992, why do you think 2027 will be any different?

I meant the one in the OP.

Fine until a biological woman ends up injured through playing contact sports with biological males, who are bigger and stronger.
Unless there are no contact sports and everyone is playing darts or something, where there's no risk of physical harm. That would be okay.

Oh, and fine so long as no public money is spent on it. As a resident of Wales, I want money spent on healthcare and other public services.

I have zero problem with this, to be honest OP.

The participants all know what the deal is and are presumably OK with it.

It may provide some useful sunlight if male athletes sweep the board in the male, female and non binary categories. But I suspect that public interest in this will be fairly limited so it is unlikely to be on the radar of most people not directly involved.

I think this is fine but suspect the TW will be really cheesed off because the 'women's' teams are likely to be exclusively TW. Good for them but zero points for validation there.

Well, I can't see that many women (the old fashioned cunty types) will be taking home many medals from these games.
Seeing as there are no categories reserved for actual women.

Sounds like a perfectly reasonable approach to me - if women are happy to compete against men (and consequently get beaten by them in the vast majority of cases) then who am I to question it. Hopefully it will keep men out of competitions where women don’t want them and will ensure women only teams will be just that.

There's a whole bunch of females who don't want to play sports or get changed with males for reasons we all know. If a be kind female wants to take those risks then that's her choice.
I don't wish harm on anyone, but if harm happens, it will happen to those who ignored and denied the concerns of others. I hope the event goes swimmingly, and they all have an amazing time. But I won't lose any sleep over the risks knowing that everyone consented to them.

Why do you think it won't happen? It's not a new event, its been around for over 20 years and is in a different city each year.

This could be productive but its a high-risk strategy for women entering. What I mean is that if there is significant publicity showing podiums full of men, some dressed as women, and the competitions with the women being soundly thrashed every time, it may help some people to understand why we feel the way we do and how ridiculous it is to pretend men are women. The stakes are not like in official competitive sporting events, although of course there is jeopardy because of the physical risks to women.

I suspect that it either won't happen or it will be incredibly low profile, though, and so be completely pointless from anyone's point of view.

@theDudesmummy again with the "it won't happen." It's been running for over 20 years. And yes it will be low profile, as it has been for 20 years, because literally no-one cares about a 2 day pay-to-play minority sports event except the people who are taking part.

Oh OK, well it won't happen as an event in the public consciousness then!

I'm willing to bet that the EuroGames did not start off as LGBT games because Transgender didn't exist as a category in 1992. It was still old school transsexuals. I suspect it was a gay/gay and lesbian event which was taken over by the T.

... And the people on the internet complaining that it exists.