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KJK’s insane rant

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Dontblameitonsunshine · 26/03/2024 09:38

Kjk’s decision to attack everyone who is not her lapdog is increasingly destructive. It looks like Can-sg put on a great conference. Those doctors who have spoken up have risked their careers. Kjk has become famous and has started a business from LWS. She has benefited way more than any of these doctors.

Her work could be powerful if she just stopped attacking everyone else. But these days she is a demagogue and causes more harm than good by capitalising on vulnerable and timid women and telling them that they need her to speak for them.

Part 2 - #FirstDoNoHarm although maybe #FirstDoSomeHarm - what will it take for medics to catch up?

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Boiledbeetle · 02/04/2024 20:55

AdamRyan · 02/04/2024 20:43

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/narcissist-signs

The nine criteria are:

A grandiose sense of self-importance.
Fantasies about having or deserving.
A sense of self-superiority.
A need for excessive admiration.
A sense of entitlement.
Exploitative behavior.
A lack of empathy.
Frequent envy.
Arrogance.

Nope, nothing in there about "accusing other people of narcissism" 😂

Do you have to have all nine?

Asking for a friend!

BackCats · 02/04/2024 21:29

Ah well @IwantToRetire have it your way. No bumps in over 24hours. Cheers for the annoying lecture.

OldCrone · 02/04/2024 21:51

theothercatpurred · 02/04/2024 13:59

Do you have any evidence for this belief of yours, or is it purely based on opinion rather than evidence?

It's pretty obvious to anyone other than her followers that she's a grifter. She makes a loud noise but actually delivers little in terms of real change.

There is a difference between raising money through merch to support a cause, and milking a cause for personal profit. KJK followers refuse to see the difference. I've had arguments with women in real life who say that KJK is "allowed to do what she wants with her money" and that those who donate are all perfectly happy with her using their money to pay off her mortgage or pay for luxury hotels and business class flights. But I don't think that's true. I think lots of people who donate to her / sign up for her memberships or whatever think their money is going towards making a difference and so they're being fleeced. You have an ethical responsibility as to what you use donated money for, that's different to personal money you earn as wages.

Activism is NOT getting a bunch of working class women / women with not a lot of money to pay off your mortgage for your very nice house and then bragging about it.

I suppose it also depends how effective you think KJK is being. She makes a lot of noise but I don't think she's doing that much to actually create change.

I'd like you to explain why you think that KJK is responsible for "pitting activists within that movement against each other". She has been excluded by other activists for years, starting with WPUK in about 2018. You are attributing a lot of power to her if you think she is solely responsible for all the disagreements between different groups fighting against transgender ideology.

Please take some time to look at the language she uses. KJK is a classic mean girl / playground bully. WPUK rescinded an offer for KJK to speak at one of their events after they realised her politics didn't align with theirs as she's happy to cosy up to the far right (my words not theirs) - that time it was Tommy Robinson plus comments she mad - but there has been a catalogue of far right associations since. WPUK publised a very carefully written words to explain this, and then said NOTHING for many years (choosing to break their silence briefly a little while back, I forget why now).

KJK in the meantime went on the attack, creating the narrative about "head girls", purity spirals etc etc and trying to goad left wing feminists into a response. Like any other narcissist (and I think her narcissism is the root of the problem) shewcouldn't let it drop. The way she treated them, and the schism she actively cultivated is down to her. It wasn't two sided as it was her keeping the rift alive.

It's also not a purity spiral to not want to work with racists, or anyone who's happy to work with them, and KJK is.

KJK loves contraversy, indeed she makes money out of it - the more outraged she is, the more she stirs up bad feeling, the more money comes in, in terms of donations and YouTube revenue (while she could still monetise it) and donations.

I'm not going to go into all the many many pieces of evidence on why KJK has the far right turning up to her events, as we've been here before and again the KJK faithful just refuse to see it - but yes, it's down to her and you're utterly naive if you think she can't help it that the far right turn up to her events, or it doesn't matter or refuse to accept it's even happening. The fact she usually refuses to denounce the far right should tell you all you need to know (I know it doesn't here though, sadly).

And this is what I mean about harming the movement - partly. She creates schisms by inventing narratives about other activists that are just untrue. WPUK and others on the left do plenty of work behind the scenes that is making real change. KJK should knows this well, but it doesn't suit her narrative, so she pushes a narrative that they are more interested in theory than action. It's a nonsense.

And it's why this thread is here. She's creating a narrative about CAN SG that just isn't true. There is no reason for GC people to be against CAN SG - other than a manufactured narrative that KJK is pushing. She's encouraging you all to think CAN SG is something it isn't, and to stand against them. It's exactly what the TRAs do with GC feminists - they monster us, creating a false narrative on what we're about, then stand against that fictional monster they've created.

Please ask yourself why KJK would do this?

It's pretty obvious to me, it's because her aim isn't to create change (if it was, she'd be celebrating the progress that the CAN SG conference represents), it's to make money and feed her narcissistic ego. I'm sorry you can't see it.

She also has the fucking cheek to claim other activists sucesses as her own. She knows full well that there is a lot of work behind the scenes that the people involved can't talk about publicly, and so she lies that they are doing nothing / are more interested in theory, and then when things do show signs of changing, she claims it's because of her, not the countless hours and thankless task of lobbying those with power to make change, or holding the line behind the scenes in difficult circumstances (e.g. the VAWG sector).

Are KJK's events where she invites ordinary women to stand up and speak about their experiences part of her 'toxic actions'?

Yes, absolutely. She invites ordinary women into dangerous situations she's created, where TRAs often turn up, and she also invites the far right and puts them at risk. She doesn't do nearly enough to ensure the safety of those women, I can only conclude she doesn't give a fuck about them.

The act of standing up and saying your piece is empowering, but it's not being built on at a LWS event. It's just preaching to the converted, and the voices are often drowned out by TRAs. But, the more contraversial the content (because of TRA or far right involvement) the more attention she gets and the more money she makes out of it. She's using those women for content creation which she can monitise, to pay for her mortgage and lifestyle, while putting them at serious risk of physical harm. It's only a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt.

I know you'll just argue with me as you don't want to accept it, but it's pretty clear from here.

All movements where entry is easy, and money and platforms are given to those who put the effort in, are open to exploitation and/or narcs.

KJK is exploiting the GC movement, and her rhetoric has been very damaging, I'm sorry if you can't see it. Hopefully attacking the very medics who whistleblew about GIDS in the first place will open some people's eyes to how she's manipulating people into going against anyone who's not bowing down to her, it's narcissism 101.

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Please take some time to look at the language she uses. KJK is a classic mean girl / playground bully. WPUK rescinded an offer for KJK to speak at one of their events after they realised her politics didn't align with theirs as she's happy to cosy up to the far right (my words not theirs) - that time it was Tommy Robinson plus comments she mad

It was nothing to do with Tommy Robinson.
https://womansplaceuk.org/2022/06/22/womans-place-and-posie-parker/

you're utterly naive if you think she can't help it that the far right turn up to her events

Her events are held in public places. Anyone can turn up. How do you think she could stop them?

And this is what I mean about harming the movement - partly. She creates schisms by inventing narratives about other activists that are just untrue.

And this thread is full of people like you inventing narratives about KJK which are just untrue.

WPUK and others on the left do plenty of work behind the scenes that is making real change. KJK should knows this well, but it doesn't suit her narrative, so she pushes a narrative that they are more interested in theory than action. It's a nonsense.

Can you link to some examples of when she has done this?

She also has the fucking cheek to claim other activists sucesses as her own. She knows full well that there is a lot of work behind the scenes that the people involved can't talk about publicly, and so she lies that they are doing nothing / are more interested in theory, and then when things do show signs of changing, she claims it's because of her, not the countless hours and thankless task of lobbying those with power to make change, or holding the line behind the scenes in difficult circumstances (e.g. the VAWG sector).

Can you link to some examples of when she has done this?

She invites ordinary women into dangerous situations she's created, where TRAs often turn up, and she also invites the far right and puts them at risk. She doesn't do nearly enough to ensure the safety of those women, I can only conclude she doesn't give a fuck about them.

Do you have any evidence that she has ever invited the far right to her events?

She has security at her events and there are usually police around as well. What else do you expect her to do?

The women who attend are adults, not children who need protecting. They are capable of making their own decisions about whether to attend and whether they want to take any risks that might be present. In NZ it was KJK herself who was at the greatest risk.

The act of standing up and saying your piece is empowering, but it's not being built on at a LWS event. It's just preaching to the converted, and the voices are often drowned out by TRAs.

Again, the women who attend do so of their own free will. They choose to attend. If you don't like her events, don't go. It's that simple.

It's only a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt.

And if someone gets hurt it's the fault of the people who hurt them. Women have been refusing to shut up at the behest of TRAs for years despite sometimes being assaulted for doing so. Maria MacLachlan was assaulted at an earlier event in 2017. Women didn't just decide it was far too dangerous to meet and to speak as a result.

Woman’s Place and Kellie-Jay Keen (aka Posie Parker) - Woman's Place UK

There is much misinformation about WPUK's position in relation to Kellie-Jay Keen (Posie Parker). Read WPUK's statement to find out more...

https://womansplaceuk.org/2022/06/22/womans-place-and-posie-parker

Datun · 02/04/2024 22:26

It takes a certain fucked up narrative which criticises KJK for raising money for women's safety and then decries her for not protecting them.

CaravaggiosCat · 02/04/2024 22:38

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Jellycats4life · 02/04/2024 22:46

I will never understand the “inviting the far right” narrative. KJK used to be a member of the Labour Party. She isn’t far right. She, rather understandably from my POV, refuses to apologise for the far right rocking up to her events* because she has nothing to apologise for. They are rallies in a public place. Anyone can turn up.

*AFAIK the only proven incident was a couple of people turning up to a Brighton event in 2022. The “far right” who turned up in Australia were speculated to have been a bunch of fakers out to smear her reputation.

I mean seriously, citing a notorious stitch up job from Jean Hatchet in 2019 as proof she’s far right? Christ almighty…

AdamRyan · 02/04/2024 23:01

Except that's not what I said. Honestly, it's like a barn round here. Straw everywhere.

AdamRyan · 02/04/2024 23:03

March 2024 any better for you?
https://hopenothate.org.uk/case-files-kellie-jay/

illinivich · 02/04/2024 23:05

WPUK and others on the left do plenty of work behind the scenes that is making real change.

WPUK and other can work behind the scenes all they like, they dont have to tell anyone what they are agreeing to with who. But they arent 'all women' official representatives, and no other women needs to watch their mouth in case the behind the scenes secret work is compromised.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/04/2024 23:09

WPUK had their day long ago.

theothercatpurred · 02/04/2024 23:46

Datun · 02/04/2024 22:26

It takes a certain fucked up narrative which criticises KJK for raising money for women's safety and then decries her for not protecting them.

Do you really believe that's what she's raising money for primarily?

The mortgage just got paid off by accident, while she was focussed on security, did it?

Datun · 02/04/2024 23:50

theothercatpurred · 02/04/2024 23:46

Do you really believe that's what she's raising money for primarily?

The mortgage just got paid off by accident, while she was focussed on security, did it?

Bloody hell, if selling T-shirts online to gender critical women will pay off my mortgage, I'm going to get cracking.

KellieJaysLapdog · 02/04/2024 23:50

I expect it’s a lot easier to get to mortgage free when you don’t live in Brighton.

OneMorePlant · 02/04/2024 23:51

AdamRyan · 02/04/2024 20:43

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/narcissist-signs

The nine criteria are:

A grandiose sense of self-importance.
Fantasies about having or deserving.
A sense of self-superiority.
A need for excessive admiration.
A sense of entitlement.
Exploitative behavior.
A lack of empathy.
Frequent envy.
Arrogance.

Nope, nothing in there about "accusing other people of narcissism" 😂

My mother had officially NPD on the extreme side of the spectrum. I understand NPD more than any of you tiresome people.

Your little list does not even begin to describe what they actually do or say and it's not what most people think.

Accusing KJK of having NPD is already nonsense because KJK talks lovingly about her husband and 4 children. People with NPD resent their partner and children with a rare exception of one golden child.

NPD is basically being a psychopath with a fragile, childlike ego. Just like a child when they get upset they hit someone and tell everyone they got hit.

They absolutely project everything and accuse others of what they do or are themselves.

theothercatpurred · 02/04/2024 23:56

KellieJaysLapdog · 02/04/2024 23:50

I expect it’s a lot easier to get to mortgage free when you don’t live in Brighton.

That sounds oddly specific. Are you aiming it at someone in parrticular?

OneMorePlant · 02/04/2024 23:57

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theothercatpurred · 03/04/2024 00:00

Datun · 02/04/2024 23:50

Bloody hell, if selling T-shirts online to gender critical women will pay off my mortgage, I'm going to get cracking.

It's not just t-shirts though, is it?

It's also a range of income sources like memberships, donations, monetised social media.

How much does KJK earn from it? Impossible to tell because when it comes time to submit accounts for her limited company to Companies House, she closes it down and starts a new one, thus evading scrutiny for how much money she has coming in from women like you.

This is dodgy as fuck. Surely you can see that? Who does that other than someone with something to hide?

She's bragged about being mortgage free, did you miss that?

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 03/04/2024 00:03

theothercatpurred · 02/04/2024 23:46

Do you really believe that's what she's raising money for primarily?

The mortgage just got paid off by accident, while she was focussed on security, did it?

What is this bollocks?

It's a mortgage. It will have been paid off the same way most people pay them off- with 25 years of monthly payments.

Do you really think KJK's recent t-shirt sales were all that stood between her and defaulting on it? Like many other women, KJK was a SAHM because it enabled her husband to maximise his earning potential.

I've been on MN for over a decade, so I overlapped with KJK on AIBU many a time. She was honest and direct about everything, including that her family certainly weren't anywhere near missing a mortgage payment. Grin Good for them, too.

Datun · 03/04/2024 00:06

theothercatpurred · 03/04/2024 00:00

It's not just t-shirts though, is it?

It's also a range of income sources like memberships, donations, monetised social media.

How much does KJK earn from it? Impossible to tell because when it comes time to submit accounts for her limited company to Companies House, she closes it down and starts a new one, thus evading scrutiny for how much money she has coming in from women like you.

This is dodgy as fuck. Surely you can see that? Who does that other than someone with something to hide?

She's bragged about being mortgage free, did you miss that?

Edited

Tut. Women having 'income sources'. Whatever next.

Still, manicures don't pay for themselves, I s'pose.

TathingScinsel · 03/04/2024 00:06

theothercatpurred · 02/04/2024 23:56

That sounds oddly specific. Are you aiming it at someone in parrticular?

Nope, just people who live in Brighton.

TathingScinsel · 03/04/2024 00:09

I’ve been mortgage free since I was 38.

It’s nice.
Freeing.

Makes it possible to speak your mind without fear of losing the roof over your family’s head.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 03/04/2024 00:09

We've got another 20 years to go on ours. I was feeling insanely lucky about our fixed-term mortgage, even if there were Reasons why the house was affordable. But I've never sold a single t-shirt, so presumably we are Doomed™ to have it repossessed.

There is literally no other way to pay off a mortgage, right?

TathingScinsel · 03/04/2024 00:10

Sweatshirts, mugs and pens?

OneMorePlant · 03/04/2024 00:11

No no that's dodgy

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 03/04/2024 00:12

TathingScinsel · 03/04/2024 00:10

Sweatshirts, mugs and pens?

I've got a luxurious personal stationery collection, and I bought a set of graded drawing pencils from Home Bargains last week. Anyone want to buy them off me?

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