KJK’s insane rant

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Kjk’s decision to attack everyone who is not her lapdog is increasingly destructive. It looks like Can-sg put on a great conference. Those doctors who have spoken up have risked their careers. Kjk has become famous and has started a business from LWS. She has benefited way more than any of these doctors.

Her work could be powerful if she just stopped attacking everyone else. But these days she is a demagogue and causes more harm than good by capitalising on vulnerable and timid women and telling them that they need her to speak for them.

Stop worrying Adam. It's really not healthy to worry about what other people who you don't know are spending their money on.

But you're not really worried about us wasting our money, are you? You just don't want any of us to give our money to KJK because you're irritated that she is so successful at what she does.

If women want to donate to her, their choice but they should do their due diligence first.

Advising us about 'due diligence' is really not necessary. We're the women who are fighting against a dangerous ideology despite all the obstacles that are put in our way and the exhortations to 'be kind'. It's thinking for ourselves that has made us fight this. We're not the ones just following the crowd.

By WPUK Ltd do you mean Woman's Place UK?

People who buy her T shirts and other wares are getting something out of it already. The product. She has a business and she sells things. People don’t just buy her stuff to support a cause, they buy it because they like it and enjoy it - wearing it, having it, whatever.

If I go into a shop and buy something which is -essentially- exploiting a political interest of mine, (eg- a feminist card from Waterstones) just because it makes me smile, I don’t get all tied in knots, worrying about the person who might be making money out of me, worrying that they aren’t donating a percentage to a feminist cause or worrying however they’ll choose to spend the profit.

Some people donate money to her channel. And although there are many people who want it to go to a particular action, others will just want to support her for taking the time and effort to set up her channel, all the tech and paraphernalia that goes with it, showing up, and sharing her thoughts and activities. Many people will watch her and donate to her because they feel grateful that she is so fearless and articulate, able to say what they think, out loud. It feels like a service. The money they donate reflects the relief or joy she makes them feel when they tune in alongside all the others who feel the same. There are a lot of people who have made a lot of money through YouTube, twitch and so on, for providing a similar service and all they are doing is chatting to the camera while playing Minecraft - there isn’t any big cause- whereas- she does get important stuff done.

Me personally, I am grateful to her for taking the time away from her family and taking big personal risks, to herself and them, to get the message out there. I am very happy for her to get financially rewarded for that. I hope the money with help to safeguard her against burnout.

Oops my mistake, I have a migraine. I saw standing for women and migraine brain garbled it, I'm not thinking straight today. I just had a quick squiz at her businesses on companies house.

My point is more all her companies except Party for Women are Ltd so different tax rules.

My point is more all her companies except Party for Women are Ltd so different tax rules.

Why shouldn’t she use limited companies? Seems very sensible to me. And frankly, if she was making a fortune for herself off the back of this then good luck to her. She would have a long way to go to catch up with many of the transactivists making money this way. But having just looked at companies house you have discovered that is not the case haven’t you? Or you would have told us.

One person's "free speech, tell it how it is" is another person's "hate speech". And yeah, lack of transparency is poor practice.

If you want to donate to her, knock yourself out. I'm advising caution is all, in response to a specific post.

How would I find out how much money her private Ltd. Company is making?
That's kind of my point. The way she's structured her affairs means it's hard to know what money she makes or what she spends it on. If she were running a charity or not for profit it would be clear (and subject to rules).

It's just one of a number of red flags about her (for me).

Woman's place UK is also a limited company not a charity (tbf it's articles do prevent distribution of profits to members)
Also no difference in the tax rules for a company limited by shares Vs company limited by guarantee

Why do you object to the idea of her taking an income from a business she runs and for the work she does?

What she does is not free either in terms of time or financially. Or in emotional cost. Why shouldn't she take an income? (if she does).

Criticising her for this seems particularly low, and unreasonable, to me. There's something really unpleasant about this.

Yes, because running it as a charity has worked out so well for LGB Alliance. I'm sure they loved being dragged through the courts in an expensive legal case brought by the ideologues who oppose them and wanted to destroy them.

I am sure KJK was canny enough to organise her business in a way that gave her maximum freedom from such vexatious shite. Her whole thing is being free to say what she likes, or hadn't you noticed?

Anyway, she's clearly cannier than you in terms of knowing how to organise her business to enable her to achieve her goals.

If someone is taking individual donations from members of the public, I believe they should be transparent about what those are spent on.

Crowdfunders/Patreon etc are all known to be used by people to fund their own lifestyle in the guise of a "cause". I'm suspicious of it.

I also keep googling for news about Party for Women given the fanfare of it launching, and how close we might be to a GE, and its hard to see any activity. Which makes me think she set it up to benefit herself rather than as a genuine political party, I know she was asking for donations for that too.

Maybe she's getting less direct donations than I suspect and instead being paid for her appearances by venues etc. In which case I apologise, I have made an incorrect assumption.

If you want to donate to her, knock yourself out. I'm advising caution is all, in response to a specific post.

Just so I know, what's your standing to do that? E.g., are you an auditor or fraud investigator? Do you consider yourself to be acting as a critical friend and, if so, to whom? If you're apprehensive about something specific it might be helpful to state it plainly.

So many Malfoys, it's sometimes difficult to sort.

You'll soon find out some wizarding families are much better than others, Potter. You don't want to go making friends with the wrong sort.

Gosh, defensive much? I've obviously hit a nerve.

Woman's place UK is also a limited company not a charity

You can be both at the same time.

I’ve worked at a number of charities in the past, should I not have been paid a salary for my work? Is it only ethical if I work for them for free in order to help them achieve their campaigning aims?

Podcasters like Jesse Singal and Katie Herzog sell merchandise and subscriptions and they keep the income derived, spending it however they see fit.

In like manner, KJK sells merchandise and subscriptions and keeps the income derived and also spends it however she sees fit.

I don’t see a problem here 😊

How would I find out how much money her private Ltd. Company is making?

You look at the accounts. 🙄

Random. Don't MNHQ have a standard disclaimer about qualifications of people posting on the Internet?

I'm not claiming to be anything. I'm saying why I am suspicious of her (that and the fact she made a negative impression on me when she posted on here way back, I'm not a fan). Take it or leave it. I'm just putting my perspective into the conversation.

KJK repeatedly states that she is flogging merch.

On the odd occasion she has asked for donations (eg the women’s refuge project) she’s made it clear that it’s for a particular aim.

Her day to day stuff is T shirt sales, so of course a company is more appropriate than a charity.

If someone is taking individual donations from members of the public, I believe they should be transparent about what those are spent on.

Your charity would be transparent about how much it spent on running costs including staff. It's the transparency I'm quibbling, not the fact she's taking an income.

I’m sure there are easier ways to make money than set up a whole new party for donations

This is a bit silly tbh.

We get you didn’t like some posts way back on mn, it’s old news surely. She’s obviously doing well getting out there. Let old grudges go

Right, and are those businesses claiming to be charities? not the political party but the other companies?

Or are they selling products?

Why should people expect to influence where the proceeds from merchandise go if they are buying products with no promise where the proceeds go? And 'super chats' come with no expectation except a mention on a live stream. That is it.

Also, no person should be giving more than they can afford to lose to any cause. If people don't do the research as to where their money is going, that is their own problem to deal with and it is not likely to be restricted to 'donating' to Kellie Jay Keen.

It is quite unpleasant to watch you scrub around to manufacture reasons to attack someone whose actually using their life to fight for a cause they believe in, at great personal cost to themselves.

A woman who is almost crushed to death by a huge mob, who all came out to hate on her, and still gets back up to continue speaking out for women and children is far superior to someone grubbing about to find reasons to knock down others living a worthwhile life. Yeah. I do think that.

And fuck, don't some people make sure that no one forgets that she sells merchandise. They think it is worthy of derision often on MN.

Not really Eastern, if you are making money you have to have some form of company to put it into or you are tax dodging and potentially money laundering.
The easiest is sole trader but I'm guessing she is taking quite some legal risk and doesn't want to lose everything should she get sued and lose.

After that it would be Ltd company, like she's gone for.

I just wish she’d do one in a Death Metal font (and yes, I’d cut the sleeves off!)