KJK’s insane rant

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Kjk’s decision to attack everyone who is not her lapdog is increasingly destructive. It looks like Can-sg put on a great conference. Those doctors who have spoken up have risked their careers. Kjk has become famous and has started a business from LWS. She has benefited way more than any of these doctors.

Her work could be powerful if she just stopped attacking everyone else. But these days she is a demagogue and causes more harm than good by capitalising on vulnerable and timid women and telling them that they need her to speak for them.

KJK is very clear about her aims and will not compromise on them.

She has, at great personal cost, spoke out about the harms done to children being medicalised and mutilated by the gender industry.

Why shouldn't she be angry that the medical professionals, despite finally recognising the harm being caused, are still willing to sacrifice some children?

Accepting children are being harmed but still not saying an emphatic fuck that is worse than believing you are somehow helping them.

It's an all or nothing position.

This thread has really helped publicise the recent videos from KJK and prompted a lot of good supportive discussion. Good work OP, looking forward to more of your threads so we can talk more about KJK and her excellent work! Cheers mate!

Again not a total out and out KJK supporter, but appreciate the perspective she brings. All sucessful social movement suceed better when they are broad based.

But to make sure the thread reflects facts, and because of the sniping about Party of Women, I decided to check as others could have done before sneeering.

It is clear that things are moving forward (in ways spoken about on the thread about forming a political party). ie there has been a training session for potential candidates which seems more than sensible and helpful given that for some women it may be their first experience of public politics.

And information about facts you need to know before considering standing as a candidate.

https://www.partyofwomen.org/become-a-candidate

Who would have thought that a woman could have opinions and be organised and practical!!

I think on the gradualist approach to change, that this is often successful. Before slavery was abolished in the UK there were laws to treat slaves more humanely ( though still obviously inhumane). This didn’t stop people from arguing for total abolition. In Scotland there was an argument ( and rift) in the nationalist movement between those supporting devolution and those saying that should be rejected in favor of total separation. But as we know, having devolution has not stopped people campaigning for separation. The gradualist position helps to undermine the current position ( if slaves are human enough for better treatment, why aren’t they human enough to be free) and builds the case for total abolition ( or whatever the ultimate end game is)

Point being, the gradualists do need those arguing and campaigning, as KJK does for the abolitionist/ total end game. These two positions often seem to be in opposition in the moment, but I think the perspective of history often shows that they were actually working together to achieve the ultimate goal.

I think that if you are going to question something you should at least have read it/watched it/attended it first.

its lazy to criticise multiple people from multiple professions many of whom have been penalised for speaking up. Of course medicine has fucked up - but the people in that room are trying very hard to get care in place that will actually support those distressed kids.

kjk saw something on Twitter and constructed a heap of defamatory nonsense from it. it’s lazy and reactionary and unhelpful

If she wants to help she should have gone to the conference to hear what they have been doing for the last decade. She could have shared her wisdom to the change makers instead of showboating to her followers and slagging off the very people we need to solve these complex problems.

I don’t think she understands how healthcare and research works. It’s easy to shout and say “this should be better”, that’s banal, of course it should. Debunking crap science takes time and money and nobody wants to fund it or do it for the usual reasons - those who are willing to take the risks should be encouraged.

If she wants to help she should have gone to the conference to hear what they have been doing for the last decade.
We ALL know what the medical profession has been doing the last decade unfortunately. None of us needed to attend to know they have either ignored or been complicit in harming children.

She could have shared her wisdom to the change makers instead of showboating to her followers and slagging off the very people we need to solve these complex problems.
Hahahahaha, thanks for the laugh. If the medical profession won't even listen to their patient sat in front of them then they certainly aren't going to listen a single woman who isn't their patient. And it's not actually a complex problem, that's just a lazy way to say "can't be arsed to understand it" , but if its sooooo complex why is the first response to surgically removing body parts instead of therapy and talk?

Debunking crap science takes time and money and nobody wants to fund it or do it for the usual reasons.
Was it crap science though, or was it people doing the con artist speech and throwing in false stats like suicide and most likely to be murdered spiel, then making up skewed surveys rather than actual science? And no, the biology of clownfish doesn't count as actual science for this even though, on a technicality, it is actual science, it really isn't relevant.

Woman womanizing wrong again.

tut tut.

I expect someone else has already said it but KJK is mass-shadowbanned and can't even see her own posts sometimes. Most of her content is hidden and she has to be searched for directly, so it's amazing she's grown as she has. Videos where she's being interviewed often have hundreds of thousands if not more views, she has done more than probably anyone else to peak others. She was the first to successfully highlight TRA behaviour. A big, untold part of the story that the press was choosing to ignore/lie about until they couldn't - she forced that out.

And no, I'm not a fangirl either.

I appreciate her boundless energy and that she really has no fucks to give. Do I always agree with her? Of course not. Do I sometimes find her a bit "wow that's a bit strong"? Yes, indeedy.

Woman is a stone-cold legend. She's only human though.

Exactly. Why the incessant nit picking, and faux outrage that sometimes she gets angry and isn’t as articulate as she could be? She doesn’t have a script for these livestreams. I wish I was half as good at communicating as she is, through blind rage and tears. That footage from Auckland was so horrifying I’m surprised she doesn’t have PTSD.

She never pretends to be anything other than a hardliner. She doesn’t align with any other orgs so as not to be beholden to them. Seems that most of the criticisms of her in this thread are because she… doesn’t do things she’s never promised to do in the first place?

Why the incessant nit picking, and faux outrage that sometimes she gets angry and isn’t as articulate as she could be?

It's shades of suffragettes and suffragists. One group thought that the way forward was campaigning, engaging with the political process and winning people over, the others deliberately got themselves arrested so they could go on hunger strike and bombed the PM’s (empty) house.

Both were necessary as a pincer movement but I’d argue the hunger-striking militants got more done.

Bit of a tangent but speaking of the Suffragettes/Suffragists is anyone else anticipating JK Rowling being arrested for a new fangled Scottish ‘hate crime’, spending a short time in prison and coming out freshly armed with the stories of hundreds of women prisoners?

Then suing the Scottish Government for some sort of human rights breach?

I think the police will bend themselves into knots to avoid arresting JKR, much as there will be an absolute onslaught of complaints about her. They know she’s has no fucks to give so they can’t shut her up with a caution, and she can pay for the sort of lawyers who will make Police Scotland’s collective lives a misery.

It would be glorious to watch - and it would get worldwide coverage - but I doubt it will happen.

The examples you give are of things that were going on for centuries, so were seen as the normal situation. A gradualist approach to change seems reasonable for something which has been seen as 'normal' for generations.

Giving children untested drugs to halt puberty because they think they want to be the opposite sex has only been happening in the UK since 2011 when it was introduced as a 'trial'. In 2007 it was unheard of here, and Susie Green had to take her child to the USA to get these drugs, but even there it wasn't something that was commonly happening.

The doctors who think it's appropriate to give more of these drugs to children are part of the problem. It should be possible to just stop a novel treatment which is shown to do more harm than good. Especially when none of them can actually explain what it is they're trying to treat and why they think creating lifelong medical patients from healthy children is of any benefit. Or why they think sterilising children is likely to improve their mental health in the long run.

This treatment was started at GIDS in 2011. There were already widespread concerns by 2018. 6 years on and doctors are still saying that maybe some more children have to be harmed by this treatment. Why?

I take your point.
The remarkable thing about Gender ideology though is how, despite being new, it has rapidly embedded itself in public institutions. Its not new as in just getting off the ground. Its firmly embedded in policies and paperwork and funding and practice throughout the public sector and was clearly firmly embedded in the GIDS service to the extent that action was taken against those trying to speak out against it. Its firmly embedded enough as a ' truth' that many are too scared to say things that were just accepted norms ten years ago. And those that do speak out are punished harshly. As we all know.

When its got that level of capture, its not easy to just overthrow it.

I dislike Posie’s style and can rarely watch one of her videos.

However she has every right to be as abrasive as she likes, and has been massively influential.

More power to her elbow. Thank God for difficult women.

I agree. I think I would have very little time for Posie if I knew her, totally the opposite to the people I like to spend time with, but as a campaigner she's absolutely storming. You only have to count the number of people trying to shut her up to know that.

I do worry that women are donating to her, not really knowing what she does with the money. E.g. WPUK Ltd is not a charity or not for profit org, which gives her far more flexibility around what she does with the income and how much she personally can take out of the business as dividends etc.

To me, she comes across as a bit of a hybrid of Jack Monroe (getting money for "activism" that's not always transparent) and Katie Hopkins (click baity "free speech" to get traffic to her youtube).

If women want to donate to her, their choice but they should do their due diligence first.

“The remarkable thing about Gender ideology though is how, despite being new, it has rapidly embedded itself in public institutions. Its not new as in just getting off the ground. Its firmly embedded in policies and paperwork and funding and practice throughout the public sector and was clearly firmly embedded in the GIDS service to the extent that action was taken against those trying to speak out against it. Its firmly embedded enough as a ' truth' that many are too scared to say things that were just accepted norms ten years ago. And those that do speak out are punished harshly. As we all know.”

Indeed. It’s as if charities, political parties, trade unions, and other institutions adopted it wholesale without any…..what’s the phrase used by a pp?…..oh yes, due diligence.

Ha yes it would have been handy

Add that to the GRA creators doing the same

Indeed. It’s as if charities, political parties, trade unions, and other institutions adopted it wholesale without any…..what’s the phrase used by a pp?…..oh yes, due diligence.

Plus of course, schools, hospitals and doctors.

I think she's justifiably angry, as many of us are. It's not an 'insane rant' to be cross about the ridiculousness of gender ideology and the behaviour of TRAs, it's more insane not to be angry IMNSHO.

One person who is renowned for hate speech and saying whatever it takes to get published, and another who’s known for poor practice and multiple lies?
Sheesh. Balanced take on it. Your bias is showing.

Have had another thought about this.

So maybe KJK could have made her objections known in a socially accepted way, as it is true some will react more to the manner in which something is said, rather than what is actually said.

However, what I do appreciate is things being clear and above board.

Would far prefer this approach, that what is now happening in some groups, that basically they are are now a support network for a group of friends who big each other up, platform them or promote their writing at the expense of any earlier campaign / research aims.

So in terms of due diligence have an eye out for what might seem like an opportunity to be part of activism, but actually you are just contributing to some of a select fews CV and possibily their pension pot!

But because it is all cloak and mirrors behind a veil of virtue you may never see it.

Just makes me want to go and buy some new t-shirts to be honest.