Woke change to England flag.

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Surely flags are flags but no Nike did a 'playful update' adding trans colours to the England football kit.

Imagine changing the flag of others countries!

What is it with companies like Nike that they have to push trans down everyone's throats.

Do people buy and wear replica Olympic kits?

Did we all have a smart phone via which we could easily publish our opinions in 2012?

Is Team GB culturally the same as events where the U.K. split into our 4 nations?

Have you bothered to read the criticism that Stella McCartney received for those outfits or are you just blindly repeating something you read elsewhere on the internet having done none of your own research?

The colours aren’t a messy mix up

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lifestyle/style/stella-mccartney-responds-criticism-her-british-olympic-team-uniforms-poll-303393/amp/

Perhaps the thinking went:
'Bloody Terfs on Terf Island > how can we show England that Trans Rules OK? > oh yeah they like football over there > let's get our secret guy on the inside in Nike to change their uniform's flag - that'll show 'em!😂

https://fashionunited.uk/v1/fashion/stella-mccartney-olympic-uniforms-met-with-criticism/2012032311602

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2012/mar/22/stella-mccartney-team-gb-london-2012

There has been for a long time, yes

YouGov even ran a poll on it:https://yougov.co.uk/sport/articles/4016-stella-mccartneys-team-gb-olympic-kit-designs-you-

but ‘NoOnE cRiTiCisEd StElLa mCcArtNey’

maybe the internet has destroyed people’s capacity for memorising things from 10 plus years ago?

From the Middle Ages, that’s a lot of history, good and bad. Why does everyone think St George flag is so bad? Why the embarrassment?
Why can’t we accept that shit happened but we carry on evolving and trying to get better.
Im not going to start hanging one from the roof but there is nothing wrong with St George’s flag. It doesn’t need to be changed by an American company to make money.

You must have been living somewhere where news media were completely unobtainable in 2012.

There was a big fuss, quite a few athletes publicly criticised the design ….one said he thought they might be mistaken for French competitors ( and I don’t think he meant that as an aspiration)

Sorry/not sorry for the multiple posts but I just read a comment on a football fan site that made me chuckle.

(paraphrasing) ‘Replace the Welsh Red Dragon with a Big Yellow Horse!’

Regardless of woke or trans or progressivist ideas or Nike
being an nasty, hypocritical corporation, what it boils down to is that flags are generally pretty simple things and if you tinker with it too much it ceases to be the flag and becomes something unspecific, and many people who care about the nation/team/sports event where that flag is traditionally used find it unnecessary/insulting/ annoying.

The St George Cross is a red cross on white background. Make either element a different colour and it’s no
longer the St George Cross.

Stella M’s Olympic outfits were criticised because removing the red part of the Union Jack is symbolically erasing England and NI from the Union. If the design has been all red and no blue, it would’ve symbolically erased Scotland from the Union.

St George 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 + St Andrew 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 + St Patrick Saltire (which doesn’t seem to have an emoji) = 🇬🇧*

of course, the Union Jack (see also 🇺🇸 ) is specific enough that you can desaturate it to black and white or make it entirely pink and still get the gist of it what it’s communicating but the St G is pretty plain so making it a purple-blue-gradient on a purple or red shirt collar background makes it too unspecific to still be a St G.

*sorry Wales! I know you are technically supposed to represented via the St G cross but I’d happily chuck a bad ass dragon 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (or a Big Yellow Horse 😬) in the middle of the Union Jack, that’s a flag update I could support!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom#:~:text=The%20flag%20consists%20of%20the,(patron%20saint%20of%20Scotland).

Still glad they’ve improved the womenswear fit tho - has anyone noted if they’ve moved away from
white shorts? I recall some of the women’s team pointing out how playing a televised match in white shorts whilst on one’s period was an unnecessarily uncomfortable experience!

The problem with this, is they are being deliberately provokative around identity.

People, rightly or wrongly, have an identity based on being English and the Flag.

Now there's an attempt to co opt that for another ideological reason.

Thats ALWAYS going to produce conflict. And this was DELIBERATE and KNOWN it would have this effect. THATS WHY THEY'VE DONE IT.

I don't think it will end well.

The colours were 'just colours' being mixed up.

They didn't have another meaning or intent behind them. They were just colours.

The 'playful' shit isn't innocent or meaningless. Its centred on something that has an ideological/identity meaning and is deliberately using colours that have other identity/meaning associated with them.

Its about intent and layers of semiological meaning associated with identity.

This is about semiotics which ISN'T meaningless.

I recall the backlash and despite the France comment you can get the identity from it relating to the flag

The football kit has no relation, to colours or design. It’s a visual mess

Btw I get the semiotics part, it’s why I find it so grating

Absolutely. I was being generous by describing the result of graphic design tinkering as ‘something unspecific’ because obvs intentional tinkering with semiotics can result in very specific changes to meaning.

PoMo- ing a symbol of national identity that dates back to the Middle Ages is unlikely to be unintentional in 2024, but I am still just about Pollyannary enough to give the benefit of the doubt.

i do find it curious that the flag/cross part of the design is completely omitted from the England Team press release announcing the new kits and am looking forward to a direct quote from someone at Nike.

I hate it. I think it's unacceptable to change it. It's our fucking flag. It's like they've changed our name from England to Satsuma.

The petition is picking up signatures but it’s seems to be more about the flag. The purple and side panels are part of the same brief, it all fails

I see snowflakes from the woke mob have found the thread, if you're offended by what us women (the cunty type) have to say then feel free to leave.

I've no idea what they thought they were doing ... I mean, if you're going to change the colour from red to a mix which may of may not be meaningful, why not 'playfully' change the symbol from being a cross at all?

Sounds about right, Google is super woke.

That can be said about a lot of flags. Are you suggesting everything in England with non modern roots should be abolished.

My gran would tell you its "the Union Flag", the jack is the pole.

Happy to take your Gran’s correction on board. I’ve never really paid close attention to the name, only the design (visual arts degree background, I’m more pictures than words orientated)

If your Gran is still around could you please canvas her opinion on changing the colours of the St G cross? Obvs we don’t get a proper representation of opinions within our internet worlds.

No it is not just a flag. It is the flag of the English nation. It is the St Georges cross on the shirt of the English football team. A flag is a national symbol Why bother with a cross, lets have stars and stripes in pink and purple or any other design. Maybe they will change the Palestinian flag to blue and white, after all it seemingly means nothing.