They / them at work

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I've just written a long post and it's disappeared so in brief - how do you deal with staff who are they/them at work? I will really struggle to call a very obvious biological male 'they'. I also can't loose my job and do want to be respectful but also can't change my view on this nonsense !

And most of the time it’s men that are responsible, not trans women.
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Most if the time it is men that are responsible. Transwomen are men, by definition. Men who (would like to) think of themselves as in some sense women, but who are demonstrably men.

The US sneezes and the U.K. catches a cold.

Movements and social trends in the U.K. often mirror what’s happening in the
US.

Plus, I posted a link to a study reported in the Guardian about violence against trans people trending upwards in the U.K.

Wheedling 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You sound like I’m trying to sell you double glazing!

I skim the studies to get the gist bc that’s all I have time to do. They are all from reputable universities. The point of posting them is so that others can read and absorb them if they wish.

I also don’t know what forced teaming us. Will look it up.

Do you mean this link?
https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/nov/22/transgender-deaths-rememberance-report

Apologies if I have the wrong one.

If you would love to hear what I think about a study, I’ll try to find time to read it in-depth. Which particular one?

@Belichtofalicht The UCLA study that you yourself referred to upthread.

The guardian mis represents things all the time to support the male supremacy movement. You need to read the studies themselves not rely on misogynistic arts graduates to properly report them.

The study in the Guardian - if it is that study PP means, I've asked PP to clarify - refers to "transgender deaths in US on rise with increase in anti-trans laws" and not in the UK, as PP stated.

calling laws anti trans show clear bias and suggests extreme caution in seeking through potential misleading claims. it's rhetoric not scientific balance.

But oestrogen treatment makes trans women weaker and less aggressive than men, no?

Until you've given us an infallible way to tell men from transwomen, we will need to treat them the same.
And you won't tell us the way we can distinguish them, so I'll carry on as I am, thanks.

I will read it thoroughly and get back to
you, prob tomorrow as I work 1-9pm.

You have to request a copy from the source given. Which is why I was impressed earlier that you had done that already.

They remain significantly stronger and more aggressive than woman, no?

There have been so many posts. What did I say about the number of trans murders? I’m on the mini iPhone, the SE2020 with the really small screen.

No.
Look at “Sarah Jane Baker”…

Plus, most TW don't take hormones treatment and it's the blocking of testosterone which largely affects their strength. However their testosterone levels can't be brought anyway near female levels, even levels for women who have top end of normal amounts.

I think estrogen tempers the aggression created by testosterone, but I don’t know by how much.

A study linked on here somewhere says trans women remain 36 percent stronger than women.

Regardless, most trans women are not violent just like most people are not violent.

I will.

Fair enough.

I don't know why you're ignoring the point about why not make everything mixed sex then. Tw are as violent, at least according to crime stats, as men. most men won't be violent to a tw.

I’ve done that till I’m blue in the face. I’m easy to understand for anyone who wants to understand.

Just to say that when you do, it would be best to start a completely new thread about it. This one has veered away from the original question quite considerably.

I don’t think everything should be mixed because many women aren’t comfortable with that. It’s a pity we don’t have room everywhere for men’s, women’s, and other.