They / them at work

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I've just written a long post and it's disappeared so in brief - how do you deal with staff who are they/them at work? I will really struggle to call a very obvious biological male 'they'. I also can't loose my job and do want to be respectful but also can't change my view on this nonsense !

Science hasn't given us this. Some believe incorrectly that merely popping on a skirt (or not), assuming some stereotypes (or not), just saying that a man has become one is enough. Delusional though.

Reasons for separate sex/gender toilets are safety and dignity.

Regarding safety, statistics show unequivocally that women are safer in single sex changing rooms than mixed, and also show that transwomen are more likely to be sex offenders than the general male population. We would not describe men in general as being gentle souls who wish us no harm. Transwomen are no more gentle or good than other males.

Regarding dignity, it’s clear that almost all women prefer to be in a woman only space. Some women include transwomen in this, some don’t. There are millions of women in both of those groups. Any decision to allow transwomen into female toilets will impinge on the dignity of millions of women.

What right do the women happy to include transwomen in their definition of woman have to affect the lives of the other group? Why do the desires of a small group of males override the millions of females?

The organising principals appear to be:

Saying they are women

Role-playing what they think a woman

Being a biological man

On the topic of non binary people at work, I teach the most wonderful seventeen year old girl. I would encourage anyone to employ her, she is amazing. I use her name, but have occasionally called her she because of general brain dog. No issues have arisen from this. No drama at all.

Brain dog in action!

Lia also had a secret AGP account where he posted about his AGP ness.

He doesn't have a strong belief that he is a woman. He knows full well he is a man.

What is this guff about hormonal set ups and working vaginas? No man has monthly cycles, no man can have a working vagina. This is all made up by activists.

Also on the subject of NB people at work. We had a new starter last year who asked for they/them pronouns. She arrived very shy and unsure of herself. I would have said we were a trendy progressive workplace and respecting pronouns would be easy, but almost no one remembered to use they/them, even the HR types who are always on about putting pronouns in email signatures. Over the year she's massively grown in confidence & ability but also no longer seems bothered about correcting the 'shes and hers', I don't know if the 2 things are related, but I like to think so.

What doesn't make sense is why you'd single out the advantages that TW have if you believe they really are women. There are plenty of other TW wanting to get into women's sports. So what if women's swimming lessons is entirely populated with TW? with enough TW, Lia's advantages are more normal. If you believe TWaW you should be fine with that. If you don't believe TWaW then there's no reason to be sickened when we don't expose women to greater risk of assault and choose to exclude some of them from their own spaces. You are completely failing to explain the clear illogicality of your position.

It's impossible to transition from.male to female because humans can't change sex. Just as I can't transition from short to tall or disabled to able bodied.

Transitioning from short to tall would be bloody useful. I wouldn’t be hunting for trousers in ‘extra short’.

But most women have nothing in common with Lia so in what way are they in the same category?

If the mtf ones stay completely out of women's spaces and don't ask to be called she then there's no problem - live and let live. If they don't they are absolutely not kind.

Would you say the same for fear of men? Men are no more dangerous than TW.

So it's an utterly pointless category then? we can't segregate society by words, they need to have meaning.

I don't see why you dismiss the transcrime website. Every one of those reports is verifiable. What about the Ministry of Justice figures that show 50% of transwomen in prison are in for a sexual crime. A rate much higher than men. Maybe they aren't really trans but that's the point - who can tell. And that is why we exclude all men (including transwomen) from places where women are vulnerable or wish to have privacy.

Actually you can't be anything like a woman in any ways. That's what being male means.

Lia had a functioning cock which Lia exposed in the ladies changing room. We can't turn that cock into a vagina, just something sort of vagina shaped. In what meaningful way does an inverted dick become a vagina? it's nor made of vaginal tissues, itsnotnself sustaining, self cleaning, does not have the same ecosystem in it. My vagina should not be reduced to a space in which a cock will fit.

So what? there are a multitude of ways in which you can be delusional. This is just one variety.

Define 'reputable' when:
The police and judicial system logs a man and his crimes as a woman and her crimes if he says 'I'm a woman'?

The reason that these websites capture and report on crimes that have been committed by men who say they are women [and a few by women who say they are men] is precisely because the systems in place are themselves lying about the facts.

The prison system doesn't even record the sex of inmates, just the gender. So the figures are completely random.

Once you break the system, the system is not fit for purpose.

Yes - if only someone could have anticipated that this might happen.

But I mean - who knew?

It’s a nightmare. I have a very good friend who has 2 daughters - one transitioned to ‘he’ and the other to ‘they’. I find I now cannot relax in my friends company as I’m concerned I may unwittingly ‘misgender’ her children. I used to love spending time with my friend but now I find I approach all meetings with a sense of apprehension as friend is very captured by the trans ideology and I know would not like them being ‘misgendered’.
There is also a MtF in work who I avoid as I’ve accidentally’misgendered’ them twice in their presence which was awkward. How did it come to this
? How are we all so scared of speaking biological reality and encouraged to gas light ourselves?

Lia is hetrosexual in the old parlance or lesbian in transpeak (I.e. Lia fancied women). Lia was found of Lia's cock and showed it off in various states of arousal in the women's locker room. How does that fit it with Lia's transition journey? They have no interest in losing their cock (in common with the vast majority of transwomen). And why should women be subject to what is an act of gross indecency?

"Them" have known men on personal level - often for decades - and yet "them" still find sharing toilet facilities with members of "them's" own sex "intimidating" - in spite of no evidence to support this.

Women have reams of evidence of men attacking them, and children, in single-sex spaces. We have every right to be "intimidated".

Do you know what would be the most amazing thing in the world? My lovely child not having an acquired brain injury from a virus which means she is at the mercy of others when out and about if she has a seizure. I would give anything for us identifying out of that. As it is, it’s up to society to make sure she has single sex toilets and hospital wards to keep her as safe as possible.

As I understand it, being a trans-identifying man is the safest demographic pretty much everywhere.

Men - straight, gay and trans - kill women, and children, (and each other) in much higher numbers (even proportionately) that they kill trans-identifying men.