They / them at work

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I've just written a long post and it's disappeared so in brief - how do you deal with staff who are they/them at work? I will really struggle to call a very obvious biological male 'they'. I also can't loose my job and do want to be respectful but also can't change my view on this nonsense !

Well exactly. They aren't real women. What's brought on this sudden change of rhetoric?

The fear of trans women here is crazy.

No fear, just healthy boundaries around the opposite sex.

I can’t think of any, as there are exceptions to all characteristics for some women.

Nobody knows.

I’ve said all along that trans women aren’t exactly the same as women, which is why they shouldn’t be in women’s sports. But I still believe they are a type of woman.

I can’t think of any, as there are exceptions to all characteristics for some women.

What makes them women?

But I still believe they are a type of woman.

And I don't, so there we are.

What is this indefinable quantity which means that males like Lia Thomas are women but not exactly like women? What is the organising principle here?

Taking hormones and hacking off your penis (or not) doesn't turn a biological man into a woman. Yes, they are still biological men. Sorry :(

Here’s a list:

https://transcrimeuk.com/2017/12/16/transgender-individuals-who-have-killed-attempted-to-kill-others-in-the-uk/

I agree about sports but not about spaces. Since I believe that trans women are a type of woman. And also because in sports, the trans woman is bound to win. But the chances of a trans woman assaulting a woman in a bathroom or changing room is low.

It’s crazy how women are so frightened of the big bad trans wolf in busy toilets and changing rooms in daylight hours, but then frequently walk home alone in the early hours, take near-strangers home, go out on dates with internet strangers. I have done all those things, more than once. But I’m not scared of trans women either.

Women voluntarily put themselves in MUCH more danger than they face in loos from trans women.

That would be an ideal solution.

Congrats, mate, you are officially a terf.

The organising principle is having been born a man, so you can’t be exactly like a woman in all ways.

I simply don't want any males in women's spaces. It's more of an issue of privacy and dignity for me. Basic respect. Any male accessing a female only space is demonstrating that he doesn't respect women's boundaries.

The organising principle is having been born a man, so you can’t be exactly like a woman in all ways.

So what makes him in any way like a woman? Obviously I don't think he is. I'm sure you were aware that's what I was asking.

Because of the separate loos for trans women? Well, I don’t think it’s necessary, but lots of women obviously don’t want to share their loos, so it would be fair to them if they didn’t have to. And trans women don’t NEED a women’s loo. They just need a loo, a safe one where they won’t get assaulted.

Says it all.

Her transition. I don’t know how far into transition Lia is, but I think not far. And also her deep pain at having to live in a male body. A woman would feel that way if she woke up in a man’s body. Her strong belief that she’s meant to be female. Her preferred aesthetic, as most women’s is more feminine than masculine. Breasts. Although Lia doesn’t have those yet. Not all women have breasts. I’m talking about similarities between Lia and the average woman. Lia would also have a hormonal set up that made her feel some of what we feel during our cycles. And possibly a working vagina if she got the surgery. She also lives in fear of assault, since she’s so famous.
So quite a lot of similarities!

That’s not a reputable website. We need government or official-agency figures. That site looks completely dodgy.

But if he really and truly identifies as a woman and has done everything possible to be a woman, he won’t see himself as a man accessing women’s space, will he?

But he is.

So, tell me which reports in the list are incorrect.

I know that the man who calls himself 'Scarlett Blake' was recently sentenced to 23+ years in prison and will be serving his sentence in a men's prison. So that seems to be accurate.

Her transition. I don’t know how far into transition Lia is, but I think not far. And also her deep pain at having to live in a male body. A woman would feel that way if she woke up in a man’s body. Her strong belief that she’s meant to be female. Her preferred aesthetic, as most women’s is more feminine than masculine. Breasts. Although Lia doesn’t have those yet. Not all women have breasts. I’m talking about similarities between Lia and the average woman. Lia would also have a hormonal set up that made her feel some of what we feel during our cycles. And possibly a working vagina if she got the surgery. She also lives in fear of assault, since she’s so famous.
So quite a lot of similarities!

Right, no built in assumptions there at all. What was the alleged flashing of Lia's male parts in the changing room about then? Such womanly energy. I'm sure you think the young women are lying, but I don't. It's not the only evidence I've seen either.

You do realise that no male will ever have a “working vagina”?
A penis can be inverted and a blind tunnel surgically constructed - that tunnel is basically an open wound that the body is constantly attempting to heal and close. The transgender male has to stretch the opening for the rest of their life to prevent the cavity sealing over.

The female anatomy is nothing like it.