They / them at work

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I've just written a long post and it's disappeared so in brief - how do you deal with staff who are they/them at work? I will really struggle to call a very obvious biological male 'they'. I also can't loose my job and do want to be respectful but also can't change my view on this nonsense !

I wonder if someone TRAs pretend to be GC? Perhaps has a marketing ploy. Others I guess just don't understand the harms they are promoting. Sadly the disregard for women's needs is alive and well.

I understand your viewpoint but I fail totally on how It can be applied. We have already seen your "Lia Thomas chancer". How do you know? Lia is taking cross sex hormones to realise Lia's gender reality. What makes Lia a chancer?

Or have you invented a class of transwomen who are inseparable from actual women in every regard and should be treated as women and any transwoman who fails that test is some sort of cheating weirdo?

I seriously struggle to understand what your position is.

That’s just not true. Many posters have said that it’s impossible for a man to transition to a woman and therefore they all belong in the male changing rooms and bathrooms because they ARE male. Ergo, trans women do not exist because they are all still men and cannot change. That’s the belief here.

Did you really not get that I mean Lia Thomas is a chancer for getting herself into the women’s swimming so she could win more medals?

I didn’t mean that her merely being trans made her a chancer. It’s her ACTIONS. That is, using her sexuality to compete in an event that she can win, because the competitors are smaller and weaker than her. If she was honourable, she would have either waited to transition and continue failing on the men’s, or transitioned and not infiltrated women’s sport. Total chancer.

Why are they smaller and weaker than her? Why does she have an advantage?
Why do you think she should be allowed to compete with women after transitioning?
Do these advantages disappear because they remove their penis?

That's nor saying they don't exist. It's saying they're still males. That's what TW means. If you're saying that posters don't think there exists any human who's changed sex then sure yes of course anyone who believes in biology and science would say that. But the people who've not changed sex don't just evaporate when we state that fact. It's not helpful to the discussions to use such hyperbolic language.

I don't think you mean sexuality? whether Lia is gay, straight or bi was not relevant to the cheating. You mean Lia's male sexed body, yes? __

Posters here are absolutely denying that trans women exist, because they’re saying that all trans women are men. Even if they have no penis and have taken all the hormones, they are still men. Posters here deny completely that men can be women in any way at all….ergo, trans women do not exist. And if they don’t exist, neither does their pain, vulnerability, need to use women’s toilets for their own safety, or risk of violence.

Trans women are men, so the groupthink goes here.

No trans women, just men.

No trans women, no problems.

It’s sickening.

Males who say they are female exist.

Some take medical and or surgical steps to looks more female, some don’t.

Humans can’t actually change sex though, so they are all still males.

Adult human male = Man.

Males-with-gender-beliefs definitely exist though, if they didn’t we wouldn’t need to talk about keeping them out of single sex spaces, services and sports that are for women.

I don’t believe in God, but that doesn’t mean Christians don’t exist.

A man cannot become a woman.

A man can become a trans woman.

Therefore, trans women can and do exist - they’re just not women.

The one defining feature that transwomen all share is that they are male.

I meant her sex. It’s late. By saying she’s a woman (don’t know if she’s genuinely a trans woman or not) she gets to swim the women’s, get famous, and WIN. That win is worth a small fortune in America, and her fame will bring her a lot of opportunities. Probably very lucrative advertising deals with companies wanting to show how woke they are.

You don't know what the word exist means. What's sickening to me is the desperate obfuscation of reality in an attempt to prop up a male supremacist movement. Of course they're still maless. What definition of woman would include a person who has or had a cock without excluding most actual women?

Posters here are absolutely denying that trans women exist, because they’re saying that all trans women are men.

Well, yes. Trans women exist. Transwomen are a subset of men. Saying that they are a subset of men doesn't mean we are saying they don't exist. Your logic is faulty.

Lia’s sex is male.

You just said it was sickening when people refuse to believe that a man has somehow changed into a woman. This is incoherent. If you believe Lia is a woman, why are you excluding Lia from sports?

People weren’t saying they were a subset of men at all - ie their own thing. They said that they were men, full stop. So trans women don’t exist.

See the post shortly before this one saying “of course they’re males.” Again, to a poster, trans women don’t exist.

Women cannot be transwomen. Only men can. The question here is “what does transgender mean?” And that is difficult to answer, because there are several incompatible meanings. But none of the types of transgender actually mean “someone who has changed sex”. When a transwoman (a man) produces ova and gestates a child, I’ll start having to rethink.

What transgender does mean is someone who would like to be seen as the opposite sex, or someone who is gender nonconformist and thinks that men have to behave in a stereotypically masculine way and women have to behave in a stereotypically feminine way, or they are not actually men or women respectively.

This is making no sense at all. I really don't think you understand what the word exist means. Are you telling me I don't exist? I'm a woman only because I think the word woman describes adult human females of any identity. But you say 'no it doesn't because some males can also be women if they say so'. And I guess some women aren't women because they say so. So, you're telling me I don't exist? If woman is not just an adult human female, then I've no reason to call myself one. You're denying my existence? which toilets should I even use?

I’ve explained my views a lot, and you’ve read them. You know I don’t believe that bio-born males should be in women’s sports, because of their unfair physical advantage. It’s insane and unfair to deny that that advantage exists for trans women and is unfair for women. There are clear biological differences between trans women and women in terms of skeletal size and ligaments. This should be taken into account when it comes to sports. I believe Lia is a woman, but that she has some physical differences.

If you have a seizure or stroke or another acquired brain injury in the new enclosed mixed toilets or changing rooms you are less likely to exist because no one can see you have collapsed from the outside of the cubicle. Literally and actually cease to exist.
Thats the design you are advocating for @Belichtofalicht

But you say they're women. Some women had a physical advantage. Most sports people do compared to average members of their sex class. You're saying tw are women except when they're not. It's a nonsense. I have mobility issues, should we exclude every woman who doesn't from sports because otherwise they have an unfair advantage over me? what would be the difference that makes you want to exclude Lia's specific advantage?

No, I said upthread that I DON’T agree with the full enclosure, for those safety reasons.

yet later in the thread you said you did.

Yes. Transwomen are a subset of men, they are adult human males who say they are women.