They / them at work

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I've just written a long post and it's disappeared so in brief - how do you deal with staff who are they/them at work? I will really struggle to call a very obvious biological male 'they'. I also can't loose my job and do want to be respectful but also can't change my view on this nonsense !

The killers had a list of names kids to kill, the others weren't trans.

Re murder stats- of course statisticians already take into account the number of people in each demographic. They are a small number of people who are very rarely the victims of murder in the UK.

Nope. That accusation was only against the boy. Are you saying they wouldn't have killed Brianna if Brianna wasn't trans? I don't think that is true at all.

Here is a reputable study proving that there’s no link between trans people using toilets and violence against other users. No Toilet Danger from Trans People

Being Trans is a safer demographic on average in the UK. Rejoice.

Both defendants were found guilty of her murder, it was recorded
as hate crime, and one of the charges was transphobia.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/unisex-changing-rooms-put-women-in-danger/

And since transwomen are male and offending behaviour does not change when a man declares he is a woman, letting men self declare they are women makes the spaces mixed sex.

What about a person born with one arm? They can feel that they should be a two armed person, that their body does not match how they feel, and they can have a prosthetic. But they will still never be a person born with two arms. They will never align with that feeling.

I asked you if you believe Brianna would not have been murdered if they weren't trans. You chose not to answer my question.

High Risk of Violence for Trans People

The above study is from Harvard University showing that trans people who have restricted bathroom access have a 36 percent risk of experiencing violence.

But since trans people don’t exist, who cares, right? Also, it’s their problem I guess, as someone on this thread said.

The risk for all students was 25.9 percent, so your risk goes up by 10 percent, just for being trans.

Yeah, now homosexual boys and girls are just told theyre trans, not gay. talk about homophobic!

You’d think TRA would be delighted that TW are not in fact attacked or murdered on a daily or weekly basis in the UK - unlike actual women

but somehow this fact seems to really upset them

I didn’t “choose” anything. I was busy posting. I can’t know what those animals would or would not have done. But it was officially a hate crime with transphobia as one of the charges. If you disagree with that, you should write to your MP.

What part of
‘women do not want to share their single sex facilities with men’
do you not understand? Why do you think males are excluded from single sex spaces? Privacy and dignity are as important as safety. Muslim and Jewish women would not be able to make use of single sex spaces if there were males present - even if those males identified as female. Are their rights not important?
After all, the vast majority of males are not rapists or child abusers. But ALL rapists are male. Interestingly, there are no transmen in the male prison estate - I wonder why?

Have seen this one shared widely by TRAs. I don't know if there is a better debunking of it by someone qualified in this area, but I've read it a couple times and was able to see glaring holes in its conclusions.

I'm having to do this from memory (and my memory is bad) as it seems the study is no longer accessible for free. So my best recollection is...

It's a small study of bathrooms in 1 US state ( Massachusetts)

It measures rates of police call outs to public bathrooms before and after trans inclusive bathroom policies were introduced.

The authors argue that because crimes didn't surge, trans people posed no additional threat.

The things I noticed were (again apologies if I gave misremembered anything here)...

The crime rates did actually go up then reduced to about the same level as before.

Only police call outs were recorded. Any lower level incident wasn't tracked.

Because males were now allowed in women's spaces, it stands to reason that fewer incidents would be reported to the police. The voyeur in the changing room now has every right to be there, so why call the police? Therefore you would have expected the police call out rate to go down.

A change of bathroom policy is being conflated with a situation where TW were overnight added to women's bathrooms. As we know many TW use women's spaces regardless of policy (and some don't) so pointing to a lack of crime surge doesn't show anything significant because we don't actually know how many more TW used women's spaces after the rule change.

Apologies for derailment here.

It’s not true that women don’t want to share loos with normal, genuine trans women. I’m a woman, and I don’t mind.

As for religious opposition, in the West we have separation of church and state, and the state governs these laws, not a religion. That’s an unfortunate reality for the ultra-religious living in Western countries.

They’ve probably shared loos lots of times with trans women and had no idea.

I’m a woman, and I mind massively.

And no, they don’t ‘pass’. It’s always obvious

The increased risk to women, awful though it is, is a bit of a red herring imo. We're being bullied into giving excuses we don't owe which means we're putting up with more and more ridiculous attempts at guilt-tripping and coercion. The answer is no. No you can't trespass in our spaces. They are not for you, a concept even a toddler can understand. At best, referring to trauma and other reasons just encourages the person who feels entitled to something that does not belong to them into believing women can be convinced and worn down. So no, I'm not interested.

At least one pupil is raped inside a British school premises each school day.
Those were the statistics in 2015/2016 (discussed by Parliament and the BBC) before schools started bowing to gender ideology and converting single sex toilet blocks to mixed sex fully enclosed private cubicle blocks.

Look how this is now going:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education/drug-dealing-drinking-dirt-problems-28517175

The study is about trans people being attacked, not about trans people attacking.

You really should do better research. They were not charged with a ‘hate crime’. They were charged with, and found guilty of murder. It was acknowledged at sentencing that Justice Yip described the murder as "sadistic in nature" and, referring to Ratcliffe, "where a secondary motive was hostility towards Ghey because of her transgender identity
Both were diagnosed as having Autism.

The study is about trans people being attacked, not about trans people attacking

In which case, let them argue for a third space where they will be safe and so will the women and girls who don’t want males on their toilets for a myriad of reasons.

Perhaps we should expect male people to accept biologically male people presenting in any way they choose. There is no reason for any man to attack another man, in the gents or anywhere else, because he is dressed in a non conforming manner. It is for men to put their house in order, not to invade the women's spaces instead.
As an aside, how does one live as a woman?

Yes, the full enclose definitely doesn’t sound like the safest option, especially as people often head for the loo when feeling unwell.

If boys identifying as trans are being attacked in the boys toilets, then sort out the boys in those toilets! Dont just think - oh, I know, lets put them in wWith the girls. We are NOT props for male fetishes!

@Belichtofalicht you mentioned 2 studies, I was referring to the first. (But because it took me a while to type it probably looked like I was replying to the second.)