"Spanish Stonewall" suing "Non Normative Trans People"

[WitchyWitcherson]

Saw this post on X from Glinner: https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1767691199794545138

"The Spanish equivalent to Stonewall (FELGTB) has been fuming some days because of those military guys who changed their legal sex to female without doing anything else (and keeping beards, wives, everything!), because they were proving us feminists so right.

So finally FELGTB have decided to sue the military guys (who created an organisation called "Non Normative Trans People" (TNN in its Spanish acronym) for "fraud". But TNN have doubled down and said that they are going to sue FELGTB for transphobia, because no reason has to be given for changing your ID and the law says you can't be questioned."

How transphobic of FELGTB, who are they to gatekeep transness?!

I thought Eddie/Suzie, for example, could flip between boy and girl modes, and is in the ladies' adjusting his tackle when in girl mode. Is Suzie real? What type of "transwoman" is she? Does she exist?

Absolutely brilliant! What a week!

And it's only Wednesday!

Thank god for them and their special powers 💪

I wonder if Alex, mother of four is "at it", or if Alex has a female soul trapped so deep down there is not even a hint of performative femininity.

I don’t know which post brings me more joy. This or the one about Fluffy the cuddly toy.

Fluffy the cuddly toy...?

I missed that post.

I think the situation illustrates the position women find themselves in right now quite well.

Misogynists to the left (wing) and misogynists to the right (wing).

Both groups think they're entitled to whatever special things they perceive women to have. Neither group has any fucking clue what it's actually like to be a woman because neither think enough of women to bother to find out. Both groups think they own women, but each group thinks their form of ownership is so much better than the other that women should be grateful to them and let them do what they please.

Like others here, I will delight in the right wing style misogynists taking out the left wing style misogynists. But I will not support them in removing the chance for actual women to have something approaching equality.

But perhaps the best thing would be if this situation demonstrated to young women that true freedom and true equity in society can only happen away from the hands of both of these groups of men.

I really don't see - for "true trans" people why there is a resistance to the 2 years "living in the acquired gender" and a clinical diagnosis of GD - because if you truly are trans, you will then get the help and resources needed.

In the film The Silence of The Lambs (inspired in part by Ed Gein), Lecter suggests to Agent Starling that she could find the perpetrator by researching who has repeatedly applied and failed to get sexual reassignment surgery. That was back when it was only homosexual ‘transsexuals’ who could get past the gatekeepers. I think it was John Michael Bailey who offered the ‘transsexual community’ the ‘service’ of writing letters of recommendation (even though he wasn’t medically qualified to) which were taken to surgeons to enable sexually motivated heterosexual men to get srs. In the opinion of Bailey and Blanchard, all transsexualism is sexually motivated, so why gatekeep ‘transition’ to homosexual men?

There was quite a big hoo-ha because those Bailey had ‘helped’ basically took exception to the fact that he didn’t believe they were actually real women on the inside , he believed they were all sexually motivated with a mental health issue, but wasn’t judgemental about it.

What its all about - the resistance - is that heterosexual motivation still precludes a diagnosis of GD and means without coaching on the right lies to tell, most seeking to ‘transition’ wouldn’t get certified. That is why the ‘umbrella’ was widened.

What is a woman? There is no such thing as 'a' woman. 'Woman' is something men wear for profit or pleasure!

Did I get that right?

Now be kindly quiet, and let the men get on with their righteous battle.

What its all about - the resistance - is that heterosexual motivation still precludes a diagnosis of GD and means without coaching on the right lies to tell, most seeking to ‘transition’ wouldn’t get certified. That is why the ‘umbrella’ was widened.

it just all takes into the realms of (transphobic) "trutrans" though. People with genuine GD probably rail against all the waiting etc, but must recognise that in the end it all serves a purpose. People who don't fit that description just want it all done now because, frankly, we all have the attention span of a goldfish these days and have to have everything now.

(is this a good time to post the Sesame Street Cookie Monster clip about delayed gratification?)

So. Because of this, and because i think gender is ridiculous and leads to stereotypes and ultimately restricts women (and men but they can fight their own battles) i really really want to see how this all plays out in the Spanish courts. I really really wish I'd chosen Spanish now instead of the other language at school.

What amateurs.
He has his own private bathroom because
"I did not consider it appropriate to be with biological women out of respect to them".

He might as well have shouted out "I'm a man"!

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5027339-to-ask-him-to-stop-this-bizarre-habit

I think it's this thread

that is one of the things that makes me think this is purely about men not wanting women to have anything they can't, rather than a trans thing. He is absolutely brilliant though. Because he is getting more than the women - his own room, ffs - and literally nobody in Spain can take him to task for it. Nobody.

Yes, but he is asking for, fairly enough, what we keep wanting transwomen to be content with: their own ’third’ space.

it is really absolutely, completely and utterly brilliant. He has them over a massive barrel. I really can't wait to see how this plays out.

This week has been a gift. Ban on puberty blockers made me teary. Jo Phoenix's resolution with Open University made me cheer and now the Non-Conforming Trans People of Spain is my favourite new political satire. I have nick-named them "The Lorettas" in my head.

He's out transed them all!

It does have a certain logical charm.

🎯

oh god. I am getting flashbacks to playing monopoly with my 7 year old at christmas. He insisted on using his rules and then threw a wobbler when he lost and screamed 'its not fair'

😂Alex is all beardy like the Army men women, it's all so hilarious
I can just see all the FELGTBI members stamping their foot in frustration.

Not to mention Jo Phoenix having agreed a settlement with the OU. Quite a week and it’s only Wednesday.

The Three Loretta's

Love it

😄

Hm. I am more interested in the shirt-free AI character adopted by this group in some sort of poster, than the pink or floral shirts of the actual humans. The soldiers definitely have an eye open to the humour of self_ID in this context. You almost feel them challenging viewers to challenge them on it. (Having said this I agree that women in the military losing out on extra pension rights is likely to be something lost in all this).

Thank you to @yetanotherusernameAgain for the link to the translated article in which this appeared. https://theobjective-com.translate.goog/espana/2024-03-12/asociacion-militares-trans-fiscalia-transfobia/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp