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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Spanish Stonewall" suing "Non Normative Trans People"

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WitchyWitcherson · 13/03/2024 08:57

Saw this post on X from Glinner: https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1767691199794545138

"The Spanish equivalent to Stonewall (FELGTB) has been fuming some days because of those military guys who changed their legal sex to female without doing anything else (and keeping beards, wives, everything!), because they were proving us feminists so right.

So finally FELGTB have decided to sue the military guys (who created an organisation called "Non Normative Trans People" (TNN in its Spanish acronym) for "fraud". But TNN have doubled down and said that they are going to sue FELGTB for transphobia, because no reason has to be given for changing your ID and the law says you can't be questioned."

How transphobic of FELGTB, who are they to gatekeep transness?!

https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1767691199794545138

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SoupDragonsFriend · 14/03/2024 21:20

Oh that's made me so happy: Glinner the Armadillo.😁 He's not confused about his pronouns either.

There's always a billion 'et als'. We will also be able to stretch the length of the et al list by adding in all of our qualifications, some of which may be very obscure but highly relevant.

JanesLittleGirl · 14/03/2024 22:36

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 20:40

<ticks that job off on "duty list" and adds @JanesLittleGirl 's name>

There is a rota for this particular task - just so you know. It's proved unsurprisingly popular.

Yeah but are they prepared to put the work in?

I envisage starting with an holistic approach. Just using my hands to gain a sense of how smooth the oil feels. Obviously ignoring the play of the muscles under the skin. Then using my fingertips to tease out any localised differences. Finally, ensuring that I can separate natural oils from bodily secretions by, possibly, using my tongue to gauge the level of saltiness.

In my defence, this is my fourth night away from home and I may have had a drink or 4.

OK! I am completely objectifying these guys but let's pretend that we never do that.

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 22:40

Boiledbeetle · 14/03/2024 18:54

Well that's half an hour of my life I'm never getting back.

But Beetle the video is three minutes.

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 22:41

Also apologies the Greek blokes/girls appear to be not connected to the military at all! I'm so sorry, I've done a he-rail by accident.

RhannionKPSS · 14/03/2024 23:23

It’s fantastic! Well done to those blokes

ScrollingLeaves · 14/03/2024 23:32

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 18:37

“To those who choose to follow in our footsteps”: making women/LGBT+ soldiers (in)visible through feminist “her-story” theater

Building on Judith Butler’s understanding of visibility as “the object of continuous regulation and contestation,” art/aesthetics studies in international relations, and feminist theater studies, we identify feminist “her-story” theater as a unique site where Western “gender-/sexuality-inclusive” soldiering is visibilized, contested, and subverted. Drawing on ethnographic observations of two award-winning dramas, interviews with artists and military hosts, and findings from a wider research project on contemporary British military culture, we reveal the key role of heteronormative and patriarchal cultural discourses in reproducing the ambivalent positionalities of women/LGBT+ soldiers. We argue that the very visibility of women/LGBT+ soldiers on the stage paradoxically operates to make the complexities of – and struggles against – masculinized heteronormative military cultures invisible. Furthermore, despite artists’ attempts to dissociate empowerment through soldiering from the problematic context of modern conflicts, “her-story” theater ultimately entrenches gendered/racialized hierarchies that normalize Western military interventions. We conclude that only through sustained feminist reflection on the contours of “imagined” futures of female/LGBT+ soldiering can this persistently problematic (in)visibility be productively disrupted.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14616742.2022.2097936

I read through that thinking it was you Arabella doing a very funny spoof pseudo academic article about the Spanish women soldiers. I only realised it was real when my scrolling got to the link!

Boiledbeetle · 14/03/2024 23:36

PurpleSparkledPixie · 14/03/2024 21:11

looks sadly on and wonders how to be an et al. Maybe can offer a purple pencil?

Well that's half an hour of my life I'm never getting back.
You really shouldn't have said that...the video was only 3 minutes Easter Blush

Edited

Its half a hour if you watch it ten times!

Boiledbeetle · 14/03/2024 23:37

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 22:40

But Beetle the video is three minutes.

See above post!😁

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 08:03

SoupDragonsFriend · 14/03/2024 21:20

Oh that's made me so happy: Glinner the Armadillo.😁 He's not confused about his pronouns either.

There's always a billion 'et als'. We will also be able to stretch the length of the et al list by adding in all of our qualifications, some of which may be very obscure but highly relevant.

Womens Rights Feminism GIF by TeaCosyFolk

Indeed. Swimming Certificates and Brownie Badges are also acceptable, as is Ownership of Purple Pencil (First Class, with Oak Leaves). No et al left behind is our motto!

We have standards to maintain!

Edited to add: If anyone knows where to get the pattern for this tea cosy, I'd be very grateful.

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 08:05

JanesLittleGirl · 14/03/2024 22:36

Yeah but are they prepared to put the work in?

I envisage starting with an holistic approach. Just using my hands to gain a sense of how smooth the oil feels. Obviously ignoring the play of the muscles under the skin. Then using my fingertips to tease out any localised differences. Finally, ensuring that I can separate natural oils from bodily secretions by, possibly, using my tongue to gauge the level of saltiness.

In my defence, this is my fourth night away from home and I may have had a drink or 4.

OK! I am completely objectifying these guys but let's pretend that we never do that.

<wonders if Jane should be out on her own>

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 08:05

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 22:41

Also apologies the Greek blokes/girls appear to be not connected to the military at all! I'm so sorry, I've done a he-rail by accident.

You are forgiven

MagpiePi · 15/03/2024 09:09

I’ve got a Royal Yachting Association Level 2 Powerboat Handling certificate, so I’m happy to take on studies of navy personnel.

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 09:11

MagpiePi. Nice long qualification to put in the et al list, too. Well done, that wumman.

<tick>

Edited to embolden.

MagpiePi · 15/03/2024 09:15

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 09:11

MagpiePi. Nice long qualification to put in the et al list, too. Well done, that wumman.

<tick>

Edited to embolden.

Edited

Yesss!

Just to add, my specialist area is long-term naval deployments to Caribbean and pacific islands locations.

<makes a note to stock up on spf50 and buy some new sunglasses>

Boiledbeetle · 15/03/2024 09:19

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 08:03

Indeed. Swimming Certificates and Brownie Badges are also acceptable, as is Ownership of Purple Pencil (First Class, with Oak Leaves). No et al left behind is our motto!

We have standards to maintain!

Edited to add: If anyone knows where to get the pattern for this tea cosy, I'd be very grateful.

Edited

Can't Help with the knitting pattern but I do have a cycling proficiency badge from circa 1979 and a one length swimming certificate, but alas no brownie badges.

Waits in line to be given et al task.

(Silently offers up prayers about oiling things up)

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 09:23

"Oiling Things Up" is specialist work, Beetle

A cycling proficiency badge must have involved you, at least once, looking at a bicycle chain and thinking "I must oil this up sometime".

You are ideally qualified for this arduous task.

Edited because of autocarrot. (Oooh - I wonder if auto carrot would agree to do the "writing up" of the paper - saves us a job and as we know autocarrot (AC, as I like to call them) is a whizz at unusual words (some of them real) and scientific obfuscation)

Chersfrozenface · 15/03/2024 09:25

I have qualifications in various languages, including O level Spanish.

And on a tour round Andalucia years ago, I did see some legionarios doing their jogging while singing their theme song.

Also, I have acknowledgements in two books of popular scholarship.

Can I do some European field work? I'd be happy with an "assisted by" credit.

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 09:28

You're in Cher.

Pick a job and crack on. We'll weave your contribution seamlessly into the body of the text somewhere.

Boiledbeetle · 15/03/2024 09:49

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 22:41

Also apologies the Greek blokes/girls appear to be not connected to the military at all! I'm so sorry, I've done a he-rail by accident.

WHAT???

You mean I watched that ten times for nothing?

I just... I'm.... Arghhhhhh!

Goes off to watch marching Jesus video (those ones are real soldiers aren't they? Before I force myself to watch it multiple times in preparation of paper writing)

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 10:01

Betrayal by a fellow et al, Beetle

It's the worst kind.

But there was an apology . . .

Just enjoy the Jesus march until you get over the distress.

ArabellaScott · 15/03/2024 10:10

It was an accident! Must have slipped on some of this oil that's unaccountably all over the bloody place.

Snowypeaks · 15/03/2024 10:41

Level 1 ice-skating here!

And...(drum roll) I can move my ears independently. Yeah. You read that right. In-de-pen-dent-ly.

IcakethereforeIam · 15/03/2024 10:43

I have a 2 ⭐️ certificate in kayaking and a bronze badge in swimming.

But don't et al me anything anything in 'water sports' 😬if you catch my drift.

Boiledbeetle · 15/03/2024 11:10

Snowypeaks · 15/03/2024 10:41

Level 1 ice-skating here!

And...(drum roll) I can move my ears independently. Yeah. You read that right. In-de-pen-dent-ly.

You are Mrs Potato Head and I claim my £5.

I can't move my ears at all, never mind independently!

SoupDragonsFriend · 15/03/2024 11:52

@Emotionalsupportviper I have a Thrift Brownie Badge from the mid-1960s and an 'ABRSM Grade Five Music Theory' (1972?). I don't want to overload myself this early on in the project because of mascot duties but might these be of any use? Oh, and I'm currently searching for an online Level 2 course, maybe City & Guilds, in 'Animal Care with a specialism in Armadillos'. Feel like that some up to date training might be essential.

The fabulous tea cosy pattern is available online. I don't mean to show off my research skills (blushes) but you have to google 'suffragette' and 'tea' and 'cosy'. PM me if you have trouble finding it. I've just ordered the pattern. I have never knitted anything so complicated before and I am wondering what it will turn out like...

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