"Spanish Stonewall" suing "Non Normative Trans People"

[WitchyWitcherson]

Saw this post on X from Glinner: https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1767691199794545138

"The Spanish equivalent to Stonewall (FELGTB) has been fuming some days because of those military guys who changed their legal sex to female without doing anything else (and keeping beards, wives, everything!), because they were proving us feminists so right.

So finally FELGTB have decided to sue the military guys (who created an organisation called "Non Normative Trans People" (TNN in its Spanish acronym) for "fraud". But TNN have doubled down and said that they are going to sue FELGTB for transphobia, because no reason has to be given for changing your ID and the law says you can't be questioned."

How transphobic of FELGTB, who are they to gatekeep transness?!

Would have been nice if group 1 had been paying attention to the Dolatowski types and what women had been saying earlier and didn't do this only when it came to financial reward.

They're only interested now because of the financial reward. Nothing to do with women. Just another group of blokes wanting what women have.

It's the wrong type of snow trans

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/victoria-police-looking-into-claims-officers-identifying-as-gender-neutral-for-extra-1300-allowance/news-story/ab85868602ca99251b4aff14ae55d5ff

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/seven-police-interviewed-station-raided-over-false-non-binary-claims-20230815-p5dwso.html

It's hilarious that the hard military bloke is more non conforming to sex based stereotypes than the transwoman. Not by a lot obvs, they're both immediately recognisable as men.

I'd love to know if RMW can smell woman essence on "Alex, madre de cuatro". Maybe a squirt of invisible woman essence and a pronouns change is all you need!

That's what stood out to me. I love the snazzy shirt! Far less masculine than Alex madre de cuatro's pink shirt 😂

Maybe the court will not definite the law properly but treat the soldiers as though they were claiming Conscientious Objection - grilling them, then deciding whether or not to believe them. This could make the legal process all more vague but possibly be enough to put off future macho male soldier from claiming they are women.

I do love the law of unintended consequences. Pity that the Spanish government forgot to repeal it.

But what’s the correct answer to the questioning? One they on here said they liked blouses - would the powers that be allow that?

Ah you've spotted it! I took me ages, it's like an eye puzzle pic
😄

This is glorious!

According to this article https://theobjective.com/espana/2024-03-09/juanjo-presidenta-asociacion-militares-trans-patriarcado/

Her (Juanjo's) long-term goal is to “end the patriarchy,” which is what will happen when “we are all women". That is why the association offers legal advice for men to complete the registration sex change.

And since they came out of the closet they have been accused of "taking advantage" and of committing an alleged "fraud of the law." But Juanjo announces in his interview with The Objective that they will denounce those who accuse them of it: "We are going to get very serious about this issue because transphobia is punishable with large fines, and the media can even lose State subsidies."

What is a woman?

Juanjo, as a woman, answers the question that divides feminism: "It is a social construct". That is why she is grateful to Irene Montero for having generated a "paradigm change": "In the binary society, a person who is transsexual has gender dysphoria and ends up taking hormones and/or operating so that their previous sex resembles the opposite, but that perpetuates the gender binary. There's no need. A trans person is one who identifies with the opposite sex to the one they have registered. That is why the law has been good for us, we are very grateful."

Juanjo is doing rather good job of coming across as sincere!

Well this is where it will all hinge, isn't. If you have SelfID with zero processes or indicators, you must simply and uncritically without question accept the GI of the person you are talking to/investigatin. SelfID collapses into itself if this isn't done.

And while I literally don't care what people wear and so on, i really do care that false statistics and reporting means that either investment can't be targeted where it's needed (eg. Homeless shelters for men, rape crisis centres for women, transgender services for whoever needs it etc) and that is the problem with SelfID in a nutshell: it skews statistics (as the twitter thread showing how one man saying he is a woman skews murder statistics by 20% if you look at women who murder)

If you want to be in the marines, the paras, the SAS, a surgeon, whatever you have to jump through rigorous hoops. I really don't see - for "true trans" people why there is a resistance to the 2 years "living in the acquired gender" and a clinical diagnosis of GD - because if you truly are trans, you will then get the help and resources needed. If we have no way of telling who is doing it for shits & giggles, for Malaga Airport (or can we utter the hallowed 3 initials now?) purposes, for other nefarious pruposes etc... how can we target the help?

If actual trans people had stood with the likes of Buck Angel (much as i find him a bit much) and pointed out that this wasn't going to help trans people but it would play right into the hands of the followers of Michel fucking Foucoult and those of his ilk, we wouldn't be in this mess.

So - i hope that these "trans soldiers" really are just men with an eye on what they can get for themselves. Because it might wake those fuckers up who haven't been listening to women shouting about this for years. And i hope this means that Spain will row back on SelfID and keep giving the disadvantaged-because-of-their-sex female Spanish soldiers their due.

No fucking way!

This is delicious.

What exactly is their problem with the non normative laydeez then? Have they not perfected the faux mild expression that is seemingly required? Or do they not post enough rainbow emojis?

Juanjo, as a woman, answers the question that divides feminism: "It is a social construct". That is why she is grateful to Irene Montero for having generated a "paradigm change": "In the binary society, a person who is transsexual has gender dysphoria and ends up taking hormones and/or operating so that their previous sex resembles the opposite, but that perpetuates the gender binary. There's no need. A trans person is one who identifies with the opposite sex to the one they have registered. That is why the law has been good for us, we are very grateful."

Is Juanjo wrong in that though?

I'm afraid I agree with both of you.

However, in this case - and for now - the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

As an aside, can I just point out that Alex's pink shirt is not really 'her' making an effort. It is not unusual for Spanish men to wear pink shirts, it's actually a rather popular shade 👚.

Isn’t it a good few years since that bloke in Calgary changed his legal sex market from M to F to save hundreds of dollars in car insurance?

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/alberta-man-legally-changes-sex-for-cheaper-car-insurance-i-didnt-feel-like-getting-screwed-over-any-more/wcm/99d82cbf-8e6e-488b-a526-363156a1644e/amp/

Absolutely! Terrible, isn’t it?

Are there going to be two types of "transwomen" now? Do we need a new word?

I love this:

Army corporal Roberto Perdigones:

“On the outside I feel like a heterosexual man, but on the inside I am a lesbian. And it is the latter that counts,'”

End the patriarchy by making men women? WTF have I just read?

Well this is the thing. If you define a real trans woman as someone who is fully medically transitioned, then you are excluding those trans women who cannot realise full medical transition due to financial, medical or other reasons.

And isn't "being trans" also a fluid thing? And aren't people allowed to express their transness any way they wish? And isn't it incredibly transphobic to question someone's gender? And asking people to "pass" as the opposite sex as a prerequisite is transphobic too, as some people pass better than others, and it's not the fault of the trans person?

Maybe we just stick to defining people by their sex instead, much easier.

You can't fault them. It is utterly brilliant.

I think Juanjo is trolling.

Juanjo might be trolling the both sides of the debate, but Juanjo is most definitely trolling TRAs. But of course Juanjo remains v. sincere in Juanjo's convictions.

As pp's have pointed out, this trolling is likely to have positive outcomes in terms of highlighting the stupidity of self-ID laws, but negative ones for women if the outcome is to remove hard-won sex-based benefits.

It should be easier in Scotland though, where Humza Yusaf knows who is "at it" as well as in England where Layla Moran can see into people's souls.