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No more puberty blockers for children from the NHS - reported in the Times!

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/03/2024 16:21

This is massive - and long overdue

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/97ce2e81-2884-42f5-bb82-2a2778f2cc91?shareToken=9568e79f0683beea68ffe5e978b05a29

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Lion400 · 15/04/2024 15:34

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 15/04/2024 13:51

And it makes me admire the MNers on here, monuments of moral probity to the last woman

I suspect many of us have regularly asked ourselves “Is it me? am I the baddy?” in response to the latest unbelievable nonsense where the world seems to be going a bit mad. The fact that we regularly perform an internal morality check is a good thing - we should never get complacent. This whole thing will end up in textbooks of the future as an example of what happens when people stop thinking critically and/or just unthinkingly follow previously trusted and authoritative sources. And like the Post Office/Horizon situation, it requires us to think and believe the previously unthinkable, which is why it’s taken so long for both to get accepted by the public as being a problem, despite the evidence being there if only people would look at it. So many people don’t want to face it because if they admit that “they” (usually some faceless appeal to an unknown authority) let things like this happen then it means the world is a lot more uncertain and scarier place than they’d like to admit.

This whole thing will end up in textbooks of the future as an example of what happens when people stop thinking critically and/or just unthinkingly follow previously trusted and authoritative sources.

Let’s hope so. At the moment, these people are not letting go. They have committed to the nonsense, the lies, the cult. Careers and livelihoods, and never forgetting reduced women’s rights, depend on perpetuating the extreme ‘gender myths’.

The Cass report is a good start, but there’s a long long way to go in getting this fckwittery undone. We need to keep on keeping on. Hopefully to be supported by the gvt.

DeanElderberry · 15/04/2024 15:38

In my experience (I am very old and may well have been left behind by the passage of time) since PhDs are awarded by 'the University of Dublin' not by TCD, just as they are by 'the National University of Ireland' not by UCC, UCG or whatever, that is how people with doctoral degrees properly style themselves. Or indeed ourselves.

We still should be wary of waving them around as though they give us any authority outside our own subject area.

Lion400 · 15/04/2024 15:41

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No more puberty blockers for children from the NHS - reported in the Times!
No more puberty blockers for children from the NHS - reported in the Times!
SinnerBoy · 15/04/2024 15:41

WarriorN

SinnerBoy, this was published in an ethics journal, so probably captured too...

Oh good grief!

Head-Table Interface...

WarriorN · 15/04/2024 15:44

Ffs

Queering Data.

I think new thread needed

I can't right now, kids. If anyone else wants to pls go ahead!

No more puberty blockers for children from the NHS - reported in the Times!
No more puberty blockers for children from the NHS - reported in the Times!
WarriorN · 15/04/2024 15:50

This is a lecturer in EDUCATION

TheClogLady · 15/04/2024 15:55

Does ‘Queering Data’ mean pulling numbers out of one’s backside?

ArabellaScott · 15/04/2024 15:56

I expect 'queering data' means fucking it up on purpose.

Lion400 · 15/04/2024 15:56

ArabellaScott · 15/04/2024 15:56

I expect 'queering data' means fucking it up on purpose.

In a Lefebvrian way.

duc748 · 15/04/2024 15:59

My first thought was the census. A classic example, shurely?

WarriorN · 15/04/2024 16:05

Yes definitely

"Changing the world it seems to describe."

Make the categories and people will fill them.

WarriorN · 15/04/2024 16:06

Seeks to describe.

I'm also measuring feet with a Clark's foot measurement thing and trying to work out what shoe size the big kid is

ArabellaScott · 15/04/2024 16:07

Possibly by destabilising the ontological grounds of soi-disant "real" numbers, using a digitally manifested/base ten system.

TheClogLady · 15/04/2024 16:11

WarriorN · 15/04/2024 16:05

Yes definitely

"Changing the world it seems to describe."

Make the categories and people will fill them.

So now we have schools telling teens that they might not be male or female and lo!

Nonbinary genital surgery (surgical hermaphrodism?) is now funded by the state in Canada!

SinnerBoy · 15/04/2024 16:16

A Lefebvrian analysis, you say, Adam? God, I can't wait!!!*

*To pour a kettle full of boiling water on my lap.

WarriorN · 15/04/2024 16:30

ArabellaScott · 15/04/2024 16:07

Possibly by destabilising the ontological grounds of soi-disant "real" numbers, using a digitally manifested/base ten system.

Surely all the way up to base 11 if it's being queered?

borntobequiet · 15/04/2024 16:30

ArabellaScott · 15/04/2024 15:56

I expect 'queering data' means fucking it up on purpose.

I suppose it makes sense (to some) if you think of data sets as “spaces” (which seems to be Lefebvre’s thing. Disclaimer: I never heard of him until today). But that does boil down to fucking it up on purpose. It also makes it like invading women’s spaces.

WarriorN · 15/04/2024 16:31

Maybe 10.5.

Gotta include the decimal Demi sexuals.

SerafinasGoose · 15/04/2024 16:47

DeanElderberry · 15/04/2024 15:38

In my experience (I am very old and may well have been left behind by the passage of time) since PhDs are awarded by 'the University of Dublin' not by TCD, just as they are by 'the National University of Ireland' not by UCC, UCG or whatever, that is how people with doctoral degrees properly style themselves. Or indeed ourselves.

We still should be wary of waving them around as though they give us any authority outside our own subject area.

I have a personal aversion to academics who do this.

Once you say: 'I am a Dr/Professor, therefore my arguments carry more credence than yours', you've a) have lost face. What you say - not your seniority or status - stands or falls on its own merits. b) you've made yourself look a tit because (see a). c. you're browbeating others, rather than robustly challenging what they have to say with an informed opinion of your own.

And this is particularly galling when it's seen done by a senior to a more junior academic to put them down. Especially when Sr Academic then says that anyone objecting to their lack of professionalism is doing so motivated by misogyny.

Yes, here's looking at you, Professor Alice Roberts.

SerafinasGoose · 15/04/2024 16:48

SinnerBoy · 15/04/2024 16:16

A Lefebvrian analysis, you say, Adam? God, I can't wait!!!*

*To pour a kettle full of boiling water on my lap.

😂

UtopiaPlanitia · 15/04/2024 23:41

Cailin66 · 15/04/2024 08:51

As Angelos has his Twitter blocked I can only see some snippets, like these:

My new article with J. Homosexuality is out now! Gay men who advocate being sexually versatile often criticise tops and bottoms for being .

A great talk by @rvytniorgu at #sexpanics focusing on masc panic and fem shaming in gay porn.

There's also an image, where Agnelos reaches on his gmail to conduct interviews with "Men who prefer and engage in non-penatrative sex" .

For Mumsnet readers, Maynooth University was originally a Catholic Seminary for the teaching of Irish priests.

I’ll admit, when I saw Maynooth College and 'male homosociality' mentioned in the same paragraph, and being an Irishwoman of a certain vintage, I did have a bit of a titter and a flashback to Father Ted and Priest Chatback 😂

Priest Chat

Clip from Father Ted

https://youtu.be/7pGcE7IvCTs?si=MVyMXmdeihHn15fl

Teaalwayshelps · 16/04/2024 01:29

Cailin66 · 15/04/2024 15:02

Not entirely sure what your point is. Trinity College Dublin is the most famous university in Ireland. Nobody refers to it as anything else. And my main point is that Robert Bohan is not from the 'University of Dublin'. which the signature list purports to say. What he is is an artist who is an ex botanical student at Trinity. (natural sciences0

I wonder was he even consulted by his inclusion on the list. He is a well known artist.

Huh?
Sorry, I thought my point was clear. It was to correct a factual error.
You wrote

"Except there is no such thing as University of Dublin. In Dublin there are universities and colleges. The largest in the country is University College Dublin. There is also DCU. Dublin City University. But no University of Dublin."

There is, in fact, a University of Dublin.
It has one college, Trinity College.

So you can discredit someone by saying they don't work there, or they are not qualified to make a point (which they very well may not be - though Dr Bohan does have a PhD in science and a diploma in statistics as well as being an artist).

Just don't say the university doesn't exist.

Cailin66 · 16/04/2024 09:32

Teaalwayshelps · 16/04/2024 01:29

Huh?
Sorry, I thought my point was clear. It was to correct a factual error.
You wrote

"Except there is no such thing as University of Dublin. In Dublin there are universities and colleges. The largest in the country is University College Dublin. There is also DCU. Dublin City University. But no University of Dublin."

There is, in fact, a University of Dublin.
It has one college, Trinity College.

So you can discredit someone by saying they don't work there, or they are not qualified to make a point (which they very well may not be - though Dr Bohan does have a PhD in science and a diploma in statistics as well as being an artist).

Just don't say the university doesn't exist.

There is no factual error that you are correcting. On the signature list it should have stated Trinity College Dublin. Nobody but nobody has ever called it the University of Dublin.

Here is the CAO application list. (the only website that allows students doing their final exams to apply to Irish Universities and Colleges. Listed is Trinity. There is no University of Dublin.

Central Applications Office (cao.ie)

For UK readers, the Irish CAO = UK UCAS

So I'm really unclear as to what your point is. Either way, Bohan isn't a lecturer, he's an artist, as in paintings. He has a degree from Trinity which has zero to do with anything as regards medicalisation of young people. Which is the important point.

And he shouldn't even have been on the list. As it purports to be a list of academics.

So what is your actual point?

Central Applications Office

The Central Applications Office (CAO) processes applications for undergraduate courses in Irish Higher Education Institutions.

https://www.cao.ie/courses.php

DeanElderberry · 16/04/2024 09:37

Bohan included his PhD, conferred by the University of Dublin in his signature. That is the correct wording. PhDs are not conferred by the college but by the university. It's the same with NUI.

Whether he was correct to use his (surely irrelevant in the context of signing the letter) PhD at all is another question, but he really did get it from the University of Dublin.

Cailin66 · 16/04/2024 09:42

UtopiaPlanitia · 15/04/2024 23:41

I’ll admit, when I saw Maynooth College and 'male homosociality' mentioned in the same paragraph, and being an Irishwoman of a certain vintage, I did have a bit of a titter and a flashback to Father Ted and Priest Chatback 😂

I didn't remember you were Irish. But indeed yes. For women like me Maynooth is pretty famous about priests and in particular homosexuality. No beef with that. As I couldn't care less who is gay.

Except the Catholic Church are hypocrites, but we knew that already.

Ironically speaking of that skit from Father Ted, it was co created by that amazing defender of women and children our own Graham Linehan/Glinner. And for a country that came so far, and threw off the shackles of the Catholic Church, how did the Trans Ideology come to take it's place. Happily that is changing now.