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JKR vs Police Scotland?

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IcakethereforeIam · 10/03/2024 22:02

Tras are trying to get JKR arrested.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/10/trans-activists-scottish-police-arrest-jk-rowling-crime/

https://archive.ph/5TEU4 highland fling yourself over the paywall, cos Scottish!

Thought to give IW a break.

The Hate Crime...crime(?) comes into force on 1st April, according to the article. The SNP has not engaged with any of the organisations who have expressed concerns and no-one knows what, if any, training the Police have been given.

Trans activists urge Scottish police to arrest JK Rowling over ‘misgendering hate crime’

Northumbria Police last week dismissed a complaint against the author over calling India Willoughby, a transgender TV personality, a male

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/10/trans-activists-scottish-police-arrest-jk-rowling-crime

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haXXor · 23/03/2024 16:33

terffert · 23/03/2024 10:31

Don't panic. RethinkingLife's post makes life sound more dangerous than it is. Websites don't see your MAC address - that's only visible within your local network. "Accessed" remotely here doesn't mean that they can see what's on your laptop! Most likely what they mean is that your public IP address may be recorded (Mumsnet see this, for example) and that gives some idea of where you're located. However, it's notoriously inaccurate because it's more to do with your internet service provider than to do with you. If you visit https://whatismyipaddress.com/ you can see where you appear to be based on your IP address - for me, this is several hundred miles away from where I actually am.

Clever hackers - including those employed by government agencies - may of course go further, potentially getting more access to your computer by exploiting bugs in any software you use and perhaps your own credulity. You should of course use up to date anti-virus software and be careful what you click! I very much doubt, though, that Scottish polis will have access to those kinds of skills to use against random gc women.

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You saved me from having to write a post. Thanks.

haXXor · 23/03/2024 16:37

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 23/03/2024 15:11

My iPad is in 1 state, my phone in another and my work laptop somewhere else again. I’d never use my work thingy cos I’m not wanting to appear on line and working 😂 but if I browsed and correctly sexed like a loony tunes in private browsing would the peelers find me??

And when I say state do I mean US, Oz, or state as in noun or verb.

if only words meant summit.

Men are not women. Ever. This statement holds true after 1st April 2024 (yes 2024 when the world lost its collective mind!)

Private browsing doesn't stop your ISP from logging traffic.

SerendipityJane · 23/03/2024 17:24

haXXor · 23/03/2024 16:37

Private browsing doesn't stop your ISP from logging traffic.

VPNs do ...

lechiffre55 · 23/03/2024 18:20

If you browse the internet your ISP can see what you're browsing.
If you browse the internet using a VPN the VPN provider can see what you're browsing. And they tend to sell their user's browsing data on to third parties because it's extra money for them.
If you browse the internet using The Onion Routing (TOR) it becomes much more difficult for anyone to see what you're browsing. But it is quite faffy to get to grips with. As an aside - at one point TOR was the only way to access the antipodean fruit farmers website to see pictures of supple bobble hats.

The bit about computers being easily located I think applies more to the servers and website e.g. it would be easy for police to work out where twitter's servers are located, and the mumnet servers. The police can find out where a person's IP address is located by contacting the ISP concerned. This becomes a more difficult if you use a SIM to provide wifi and the SIM isn't registered to an address, or a SIM registered outside the UK. Expecially if you're not using it in just one place.

In general it's a question of how much money they are prepared to spend on getting what they want from you. If they are prepared to spend enough money, time and effort they will get it. They being police at the low end, and three letter government agencies at the high end.

In reality I think the amount of money time and effort the police would be willing to spend on us would be very small. Most probably they would turn up at your house and confiscate all your electronic devices. They would then get "accidentally" lost and broken because the police are petty like that. e.g. Caroline Farrow's phone was handed back with the screen smashed.

BezMills · 23/03/2024 18:30

Yeah Sorry Police Force really showed themselves up as staffed by incompetent petty idiots who were only useful to the individual who was using them to harrass CF. Pathetic

Froodwithatowel · 23/03/2024 18:45

This is however the key issue.

We all know, from experience, this will largely be about police bullying women in the name of misogyny on behalf of men with serious psychological issues with women. And doing it with enthusiasm and enjoyment.

It doesn't need to end in jail sentences, women's lives can be made hell for weeks - months - without it being a problem to anyone but the woman. And women have no defense against this, and we live in a country with a judiciary and a government that seem ok with this.

I mean Liz Truss and Badenoch are moaning a bit, but no one's actually doing anything.

This must be a bit what it was like living in Germany in the early 30s. Watching the country leadership and your neighbours starting to embrace absolute batshit and awful totalitarian/repressive ugliness, and cheering it on, and threatening you for not leaping on the bandwagon with them. And this is where decent people either stand up and pay a heavy price, or go quietly underground for a few years until sanity fights its way back.

I am waiting, with step one on my drinking game of Scotland Tries To Be the World Leader In Batshit, for the first wails, howls and sobs of a TQ+ activist who finds themselves on the wrong side of the law they created. Who will then rant at length about totalitarianism and repression and unfairness. Because it's meant to work as a weapon to punish and harass everyone else and not them. Like a three year old telling you, they can hit their friend because they deserve it, but sobbing bitterly that their friend breathed on them.

SerendipityJane · 23/03/2024 19:15

If you browse the internet using The Onion Routing (TOR) it becomes much more difficult for anyone to see what you're browsing. But it is quite faffy to get to grips with. As an aside - at one point TOR was the only way to access the antipodean fruit farmers website to see pictures of supple bobble hats.

If UK security services don't have a file on TOR users (and I have my suspicions about the integrity of the network) then they are sleeping on the job.

lechiffre55 · 23/03/2024 19:27

SerendipityJane · 23/03/2024 19:15

If you browse the internet using The Onion Routing (TOR) it becomes much more difficult for anyone to see what you're browsing. But it is quite faffy to get to grips with. As an aside - at one point TOR was the only way to access the antipodean fruit farmers website to see pictures of supple bobble hats.

If UK security services don't have a file on TOR users (and I have my suspicions about the integrity of the network) then they are sleeping on the job.

A lot of security services are interested in TOR. For instance at one point the US Navy was operating a bunch of TOR exit nodes. Why the Navy I have no idea. But yes TOR did, and I'm assuming still does have a lot of eyes on it. The thing is those eyes are looking for much bigger fish like Dread Pirate Roberts from the Silk Road darkweb drugs site.
Little people like us are way too small for them to take an interest in.
It comes back to that money point, we aren't worth spending any money on.
Petty plod, and people like Felix are the most we are going to get, the cheap stuff.

haXXor · 23/03/2024 19:29

SerendipityJane · 23/03/2024 19:15

If you browse the internet using The Onion Routing (TOR) it becomes much more difficult for anyone to see what you're browsing. But it is quite faffy to get to grips with. As an aside - at one point TOR was the only way to access the antipodean fruit farmers website to see pictures of supple bobble hats.

If UK security services don't have a file on TOR users (and I have my suspicions about the integrity of the network) then they are sleeping on the job.

https://www.techspot.com/news/57316-nsa-classifies-linux-journal-readers-tor-and-tails-linux-users-as-extremists.html

NSA classifies Linux Journal readers, Tor and Tails Linux users as "extremists"

Are you a Linux Journal reader or use software such as Tor and Tails Linux? If so, you've probably been flagged as an "extremist" by the NSA. Leaked...

https://www.techspot.com/news/57316-nsa-classifies-linux-journal-readers-tor-and-tails-linux-users-as-extremists.html

ArabellaScott · 23/03/2024 19:36

Linux?! Good lord.

haXXor · 23/03/2024 19:44

ArabellaScott · 23/03/2024 19:36

Linux?! Good lord.

I know! And then employers wonder why it's so hard to hire decent sysadmins.

Emotionalsupportviper · 23/03/2024 19:49

SinnerBoy · 23/03/2024 16:14

Emotionalsupportviper · Today 15:04

You want to see the state of her nets, as well.

Ah knaa, aalwez geet hacky dorty.

Nae betta that sh' shud be, Sinner pet.

Ah knew a' muther. Sh' wiz the same.

lechiffre55 · 24/03/2024 15:35

@UtopiaPlanitia
Thanks for that link.
It answers many of my earlier questions. It looks like this law takes the broadest possible view that Scotland has jurisdiction over the entire internet around the entire world.
Utterly barmy. I can only imagine how much worse it would be if Scotland became independant. I'm sorry people of Scotland but as bad at Westminster is you have shown yourselves completly incapable of self government. The fuckwits you have put in power couldn't organise a piss up in a distillery and are some of the most corrupt and incompetent on the planet. You stand no chance of sucessful self government given how badly it has already gone. Scotland is a banana republic without the sunshine.

Waitwhat23 · 24/03/2024 15:45

lechiffre55 · 24/03/2024 15:35

@UtopiaPlanitia
Thanks for that link.
It answers many of my earlier questions. It looks like this law takes the broadest possible view that Scotland has jurisdiction over the entire internet around the entire world.
Utterly barmy. I can only imagine how much worse it would be if Scotland became independant. I'm sorry people of Scotland but as bad at Westminster is you have shown yourselves completly incapable of self government. The fuckwits you have put in power couldn't organise a piss up in a distillery and are some of the most corrupt and incompetent on the planet. You stand no chance of sucessful self government given how badly it has already gone. Scotland is a banana republic without the sunshine.

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As much as it saddens me to say, I actually agree with you. I voted yes in the referendum but wouldn't even consider it now. I was in a shop the other day which had one of the 'big enough, smart enough, rich enough' posters and I thought...no, we're not.

lechiffre55 · 24/03/2024 15:56

@Waitwhat23
I feel really sad for the people of Scotland, I really do, no one deserves what the SNP has done to the people of Scotland. It's disgusting what the SNP has done with the power given to them. Scotland is quite literally a laughing stock right now. No population of decent people deserves this. I cannot imagine what it must feel like to be a Scottish person watching this lunacy done in my name.

But also there's a harder part of me that says the people of Scotland voted these clowns into power. You guys voted them in. You handed the power to them. You need to take it the power away from them at the next election and think a lot more deeply before handing it over to the next snake oil salesman with a big red plastic nose who promises you the world. This needs to be a lesson not repeated.

ArabellaScott · 24/03/2024 15:57

Same, Waitwhat.

I was thinking what is notable is how fast we slid from that positive, gallus place Scotland seemed to be in 2014 to this - 1984 embodied - in such a few short years.

And to be honest, I would caution any complacency for those elsewhere.

Scotland is a blueprint, and this is your cautionary tale.

ArabellaScott · 24/03/2024 15:58

lechiffre, if you're elsewhere in the UK, look to the next general election.

Big red plastic noses abound.

Snowypeaks · 24/03/2024 16:01

And the kicker is, the SNP are not even that interested in independence, are they? Not really. Handy carrot to wave at the hoi polloi, but actual independence would probably be the SNP's worst nightmare.

Waitwhat23 · 24/03/2024 16:08

The SNP aren't the slightest bit interested in independence now. Far easier to have a scapegoat for when you inevitably fuck up. 'It wasnae me mister! it was all that big boy Westminster's fault'.

And while I get the whole 'you voted them in' thing, the madness and incompetency of the SNP has only really become apparent to the general public at large in the past few years. Members who went to the branch meetings mentioned feelings of foreboding but everything was brushed under the carpet. Members who had been with the SNP for decades left, completely disillusioned.

And you've also got to contend with the whole 'independence at all costs!' voters who will vote for them, come what may.

ArabellaScott · 24/03/2024 16:15

The SNP are interested in power. And money. That's it.

Froodwithatowel · 24/03/2024 16:16

Yes. We have the Scottish Nutjob Party, and Wales is following fast.

This is what happens if you put Labour in power.

It's no bed of roses with Tories in power either though, it's kind of like trying to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea at the moment.

lechiffre55 · 24/03/2024 16:31

Agreed. Westminster isn't much better.
I live in Wales and we seem to be on the same path as Scotland. Our first minister until recently had a trans son in prison for rape, and he got recalled to prison for breaching his sex offender conditions, that thing that never happens that happens all the time.
Wales is one of those places where a piano with a red rosette on it could get elected. The voters here take pride in voting Labour and never give two thoughts for what effect it has.

lechiffre55 · 24/03/2024 16:31

ArabellaScott · 24/03/2024 16:15

The SNP are interested in power. And money. That's it.

and campervans.....

DuesToTheDirt · 24/03/2024 16:35

MarieDeGournay · 23/03/2024 11:08

Before I go for that lie-down : gendarme is from gens d'armes, and gens means people not men, so not gendered.

Wow, all these years of knowing French and I didn't know that!

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