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JKR vs Police Scotland?

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IcakethereforeIam · 10/03/2024 22:02

Tras are trying to get JKR arrested.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/10/trans-activists-scottish-police-arrest-jk-rowling-crime/

https://archive.ph/5TEU4 highland fling yourself over the paywall, cos Scottish!

Thought to give IW a break.

The Hate Crime...crime(?) comes into force on 1st April, according to the article. The SNP has not engaged with any of the organisations who have expressed concerns and no-one knows what, if any, training the Police have been given.

Trans activists urge Scottish police to arrest JK Rowling over ‘misgendering hate crime’

Northumbria Police last week dismissed a complaint against the author over calling India Willoughby, a transgender TV personality, a male

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/10/trans-activists-scottish-police-arrest-jk-rowling-crime

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ArabellaScott · 23/03/2024 09:19

They're shutting so many police offices nationwide it maybe makes operational sense to pursue internet non-crimes instead.

PurpleSparkledPixie · 23/03/2024 09:26

I hate anything technical so I might be misunderstanding this part:

many computers are located in easily identifiable places. (...)Wherever the computer or the individual is located, there will be an electronic audit trail that will have a significant evidential value.
What happens if you use one of those VPN thingies to hide your location? Can they still trace you?

Computers can be accessed remotely, regardless of the location of the person who is posting, sending, viewing or receiving information online
What happens if you have disabled the remote access to your laptop, can they override it? Can they legally access your laptop remotely without a warrant issued by a judge? And would you be informed of this at any time or will it be "Surprise!! We found meanie stuff last year but with backlogs have only just decided to prosecute you"

EDIT - I assume computers also cover phones and tablets, and possibly anything that connects to the Internet, like a fridge (vaguely recall a teenager using one to get around a parental ban).

Depending on the replies for the above I might send a few hurty feelz reports against lemon drizzle haterz. Be warned!

ArabellaScott · 23/03/2024 09:28

I don't find the guidance particularly illuminating, tbh.

I'm sure we can all trust that your average policeman will bring his insight, wisdom and understanding to handling these issues, though, and not immediately alert Interpol everytime someone misgenders India Willoughby.

SinnerBoy · 23/03/2024 09:50

WickedSerious · Today 09:15

Noooooo,they smell like sweaty socks.

Please don't disparage our Scottish contingent so!

RethinkingLife · 23/03/2024 09:56

many computers are located in easily identifiable places. (...)Wherever the computer or the individual is located, there will be an electronic audit trail that will have a significant evidential value.
What happens if you use one of those VPN thingies to hide your location? Can they still trace you?

Yes. Devices have a MAC address that is unique to your device.
https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/MAC-address

Yes, the computer can be access remotely, it's not straightforward. Link not wholly relevant but useful.

https://www.wired.com/story/easiest-ways-access-computer-remotely/

What is a MAC Address and How Do I Find It? | TechTarget

A MAC address uniquely identifies every device on a network. Learn how to find the MAC address of a device and how it differs from an IP address.

https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/MAC-address

IcakethereforeIam · 23/03/2024 10:03

I just thought Miss Genderman would be an entirely appropriate name for a superhero fighting the forces of reality transphobia.

I imagine a uniform like Superman's but in pink and light blue...with heels. Possibly a nappy instead of pants.

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Kucinghitam · 23/03/2024 10:05

IcakethereforeIam · 23/03/2024 10:03

I just thought Miss Genderman would be an entirely appropriate name for a superhero fighting the forces of reality transphobia.

I imagine a uniform like Superman's but in pink and light blue...with heels. Possibly a nappy instead of pants.

Miss Genderman! Genius! Grin

Boiledbeetle · 23/03/2024 10:23

IcakethereforeIam · 23/03/2024 10:03

I just thought Miss Genderman would be an entirely appropriate name for a superhero fighting the forces of reality transphobia.

I imagine a uniform like Superman's but in pink and light blue...with heels. Possibly a nappy instead of pants.

😁

JKR vs Police Scotland?
JKR vs Police Scotland?
ArabellaScott · 23/03/2024 10:24

Oh my god.

IcakethereforeIam · 23/03/2024 10:26

Brilliant, and you just know those muscles are padding sewn into the uniform.

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terffert · 23/03/2024 10:31

PurpleSparkledPixie · 23/03/2024 09:26

I hate anything technical so I might be misunderstanding this part:

many computers are located in easily identifiable places. (...)Wherever the computer or the individual is located, there will be an electronic audit trail that will have a significant evidential value.
What happens if you use one of those VPN thingies to hide your location? Can they still trace you?

Computers can be accessed remotely, regardless of the location of the person who is posting, sending, viewing or receiving information online
What happens if you have disabled the remote access to your laptop, can they override it? Can they legally access your laptop remotely without a warrant issued by a judge? And would you be informed of this at any time or will it be "Surprise!! We found meanie stuff last year but with backlogs have only just decided to prosecute you"

EDIT - I assume computers also cover phones and tablets, and possibly anything that connects to the Internet, like a fridge (vaguely recall a teenager using one to get around a parental ban).

Depending on the replies for the above I might send a few hurty feelz reports against lemon drizzle haterz. Be warned!

Edited

Don't panic. RethinkingLife's post makes life sound more dangerous than it is. Websites don't see your MAC address - that's only visible within your local network. "Accessed" remotely here doesn't mean that they can see what's on your laptop! Most likely what they mean is that your public IP address may be recorded (Mumsnet see this, for example) and that gives some idea of where you're located. However, it's notoriously inaccurate because it's more to do with your internet service provider than to do with you. If you visit https://whatismyipaddress.com/ you can see where you appear to be based on your IP address - for me, this is several hundred miles away from where I actually am.

Clever hackers - including those employed by government agencies - may of course go further, potentially getting more access to your computer by exploiting bugs in any software you use and perhaps your own credulity. You should of course use up to date anti-virus software and be careful what you click! I very much doubt, though, that Scottish polis will have access to those kinds of skills to use against random gc women.

Emotionalsupportviper · 23/03/2024 10:31

Froodwithatowel · 23/03/2024 09:09

Ah. So fear not. Scotland are here to scold the entire internet across the world. Funded by their taxpayers, to sort out someone who said something that miffed an important person a bit, instead of.... well.

Obviously there's nothing else the police need to do in Scotland, with it being a real crime free paradise.

Snp GIF by The Scottish Conservatives

Team Humza - World Police!

At least it gives America a chance to have a break, I suppose.

Good to know that the world's in safe hands.

SortUKproblemsfirst · 23/03/2024 10:33

Crankywiddershins · 23/03/2024 06:39

It probably won't be the police will it? It'll be the bloke who runs the mushroom farm or, more likely, the geezer that owns the sex shop. Oh hang on a minute, don't want to hate crime anyone... The human person, oh god, maybe they identify as a cat, don't want to mis-species them... The living being? Maybe they don't identify as having a physical body?
Good luck Scotland, you're gonna need it.

😂

Emotionalsupportviper · 23/03/2024 10:34

ArabellaScott · 23/03/2024 09:18

I did think:

Internet hate crime offenders are not limited by national or international boundaries!!

Sounded like the opening to a new Marvel film.

Drama Monkey GIF

I can hear the exciting theme music in my head!

MarieDeGournay · 23/03/2024 10:35

"Send details of the incident to the home force to note a statement and conduct appropriate enquiries".

So it's this scary 'Home Force' we are up against:

🎶They were summoned from the hillside, they were called in from the glen,
And the country found them ready at the stirring call for men.
Lets keep adding to their hardships, as the Home Force pass along,
And although your heart is breaking, make it sing this cheery song:

[Swelling orchestral ta da da ta da da daaah]

Keep the Home Force busy
Till their heads are dizzy,
Even though you live outside this realm.
There's a silver lining, through the dark clouds shining,
Keep the Bizzies busy, till they're overwhelmed.🎶

terffert · 23/03/2024 10:39

I should add, one thing using a VPN does for you is prevent your internet service provider seeing what you are doing online (they can't read your files either, but they can for example see what websites you visit, if you don't use a VPN). So if you are worried about what information your ISP might give up about you if asked by the Scottish police (I have no real idea what it takes to get information out of them), using a VPN is easy and would be sensible.

Emotionalsupportviper · 23/03/2024 10:42

RethinkingLife · 23/03/2024 09:56

many computers are located in easily identifiable places. (...)Wherever the computer or the individual is located, there will be an electronic audit trail that will have a significant evidential value.
What happens if you use one of those VPN thingies to hide your location? Can they still trace you?

Yes. Devices have a MAC address that is unique to your device.
https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/MAC-address

Yes, the computer can be access remotely, it's not straightforward. Link not wholly relevant but useful.

https://www.wired.com/story/easiest-ways-access-computer-remotely/

Of course, I'm not a police person or anything, but I would imagine such resources are limited and time-consuming and expensive.

Wouldn't it be better, then, to concentrate such resources on finding paedophiles, international people trafficking gangs, and drug runners rather than tying them up trying to find someone who might have looked at someone funny, or who misgendered someone else's cat?*

Just a thought.

*A designated police officer in every force could receive specialised training on telling complainants that "sticks and stones may break their bones but words can never hurt them", and suggesting that they "feck off and stop wasting police time, ye soft nowts".

I myself will be prepared to run such training courses at very reasonable rates*.

*I consider them reasonable. Others may not

SerendipityJane · 23/03/2024 10:46

IcakethereforeIam · 23/03/2024 10:03

I just thought Miss Genderman would be an entirely appropriate name for a superhero fighting the forces of reality transphobia.

I imagine a uniform like Superman's but in pink and light blue...with heels. Possibly a nappy instead of pants.

Isn't "gendarme" gendered ?

Emotionalsupportviper · 23/03/2024 10:46

MarieDeGournay · 23/03/2024 10:35

"Send details of the incident to the home force to note a statement and conduct appropriate enquiries".

So it's this scary 'Home Force' we are up against:

🎶They were summoned from the hillside, they were called in from the glen,
And the country found them ready at the stirring call for men.
Lets keep adding to their hardships, as the Home Force pass along,
And although your heart is breaking, make it sing this cheery song:

[Swelling orchestral ta da da ta da da daaah]

Keep the Home Force busy
Till their heads are dizzy,
Even though you live outside this realm.
There's a silver lining, through the dark clouds shining,
Keep the Bizzies busy, till they're overwhelmed.🎶

musical theatre heathers GIF by London Theatre Direct

Brilliant!

We can march to that!

IcakethereforeIam · 23/03/2024 10:51

SerendipityJane · 23/03/2024 10:46

Isn't "gendarme" gendered ?

French*, so probably.

*as far as I know

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MarieDeGournay · 23/03/2024 11:05

Emotionalsupportviper · 23/03/2024 10:34

I can hear the exciting theme music in my head!

I seem to be having a bad attack of seeing everything as a potential song parody....

🎶Thank you for the monkey, the songs it's singing
Thanks for all the joy they’re bringing
Who can live without it, I ask in all honesty
What would life be, without a song or a dance, what are we
So I say, thank you for the monkey, for giving it to me.🎶

As you were.
I'm going to have a lie down now😀

MarieDeGournay · 23/03/2024 11:08

Before I go for that lie-down : gendarme is from gens d'armes, and gens means people not men, so not gendered.

ArabellaScott · 23/03/2024 11:08

terffert · 23/03/2024 10:31

Don't panic. RethinkingLife's post makes life sound more dangerous than it is. Websites don't see your MAC address - that's only visible within your local network. "Accessed" remotely here doesn't mean that they can see what's on your laptop! Most likely what they mean is that your public IP address may be recorded (Mumsnet see this, for example) and that gives some idea of where you're located. However, it's notoriously inaccurate because it's more to do with your internet service provider than to do with you. If you visit https://whatismyipaddress.com/ you can see where you appear to be based on your IP address - for me, this is several hundred miles away from where I actually am.

Clever hackers - including those employed by government agencies - may of course go further, potentially getting more access to your computer by exploiting bugs in any software you use and perhaps your own credulity. You should of course use up to date anti-virus software and be careful what you click! I very much doubt, though, that Scottish polis will have access to those kinds of skills to use against random gc women.

Edited

And a VPN means you can select an IP address from wherever you please.

I hear.

Chersfrozenface · 23/03/2024 11:17

IcakethereforeIam · 23/03/2024 10:51

French*, so probably.

*as far as I know

From the Old French gens d'armes meaning "armed (noble) men". Originally used for heavily armed, nobly born cavalrymen in French armies in the Late Middle and Early Modern periods.

Historically male and grammatically masculine. (There are women gendarmes now, of course. Still grammatically masculine.)

Froodwithatowel · 23/03/2024 11:20

MarieDeGournay · 23/03/2024 10:35

"Send details of the incident to the home force to note a statement and conduct appropriate enquiries".

So it's this scary 'Home Force' we are up against:

🎶They were summoned from the hillside, they were called in from the glen,
And the country found them ready at the stirring call for men.
Lets keep adding to their hardships, as the Home Force pass along,
And although your heart is breaking, make it sing this cheery song:

[Swelling orchestral ta da da ta da da daaah]

Keep the Home Force busy
Till their heads are dizzy,
Even though you live outside this realm.
There's a silver lining, through the dark clouds shining,
Keep the Bizzies busy, till they're overwhelmed.🎶

<Holds up lit cigarette lighter over head and waves it, singing along>

Fuck it's getting dark in the world, it really is.

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