JKR vs Police Scotland?

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Tras are trying to get JKR arrested.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/10/trans-activists-scottish-police-arrest-jk-rowling-crime/

https://archive.ph/5TEU4 highland fling yourself over the paywall, cos Scottish!

Thought to give IW a break.

The Hate Crime...crime(?) comes into force on 1st April, according to the article. The SNP has not engaged with any of the organisations who have expressed concerns and no-one knows what, if any, training the Police have been given.

FFS do these fuckwits nothing the police have an actual job to do other than pander to their tantrums?

What about IW’s constant goading of JKR? Is that not harassment if they want to go down that road?

Bunch of tossers

It’s great news surely. The quickest way to bring sunlight to the issue

Are they really that stupid? What do they think is going to happen if JKR gets arrested for calling IW a man? Do they think the public are going to side with them?! 😂😂

I'm not a lawyer, but surely if a crime comes into force on the 1st April (the irony) and it's not yet the first of April - you can't be arrested after the 1st of April for something you did beforehand? You cannot be arrested for committing an act which was legal at the time you did it, even if it is illegal now.

Even if it wasn't a waste of everybody's time, and even if JKR being arrested for calling a man a man would not be the event that made the world take notice and realise how batshit and dangerous this whole thing was (and therefore should be the last thing the TRAs want)... surely even the TRAs can see that you can't retroactively apply the law. The law has to be the law for it to be broken; if it's not in place yet, you can't break it.

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even if JKR being arrested for calling a man a man would not be the event that made the world take notice and realise how batshit and dangerous this whole thing was (and therefore should be the last thing the TRAs want)

It hasn't stopped them yet. They seem to thrive on batshittery.

It will be "interesting" to see this play out. Is this law the reason why JKR said she would rather go to jail or something else I missed?

presumably IW is desperate for publicity as work is slow on the ground after that dating show last month?

Across every platform I've seen, on every newspaper comment page and during conversations in real life, it seems this is a bit of a tipping point for the general public who have moved from 'oh, what's the harm' to 'this person can't be serious' (I'm being very polite in my wording there). The general public really have woken up to this now, in large part due to IW. Compelled speech isn't a good look.

And I've got a feeling that Police Scotland will be eviscerated by the general public if they take this on. There's so many current scandals at the moment about Police Scotland's ineptitude that I suspect that this will be another tipping point.

It’s a general principle that laws are not retrospective.

The law has to be the law for it to be broken; if it's not in place yet, you can't break it.

Quite.

The complaint added: “Rowling’s motive for this attack is unambiguous – it’s because Ms Willoughby is trans.”

I really hope papers start reporting all willoughby's tweets.

I think if some spoke for Police Scotland steps up and says 'from 1st April if JKR, or anyone else, calls IW a man, or male, or he, or him again then we will arrest her', it will go down with the public like a cup of cold sick. The tras will be delighted, I'm sure. I think the sight of that, as a chaser, would go down about as well as the sick did.

given that, in other news, the Scots govt. is funding hardcore porno films, nothing would surprise me. WTF is going on up there?

Yes. IW is trying to intimidate JKR. That's a cornerstone of transactivism. Unfortunately it's soo blatant, so aggressive and so without any self perception that it's guaranteed to backfire.

I mean, JK has already said she'll go all the way with this.

She's told them she can't be intimidated.

The end game is IW and all their numerous tweets harassing JKR laid bare in court. The exposure will be career ending.

JKR on the other hand could run for office on the back of it.

Ooh, what if she did!!!

Agree with all that Datun, apart from-"the exposure will be career ending". What career? (unless hurling hyperbolic insults on SM 24/7 now counts as a "career")

Yes you're right. India used to occasionally get wheeled out. On things like the Piers Morgan show, then there was big brother, and on that Fiona Bruce thing.

But now I think people are avoiding India because there comes a point where someone stops being a bit luridly controversial, and more not quite right mentally.

Has IW thought this through? The law (if it does apply to this situation) won't just apply to JKR, it will apply to everyone in Scotland. If enough people have a "I am Spartacus" moment and tweet the prohibited assertion, Police Scotland could become paralysed with tens of thousands of hate crimes to investigate. Plus it would be the Streisand Effect for IW, drawing attention to something IW doesn't want people to acknowledge.

That Telegraph article had over 800 comments a while ago. IW is becoming known to more people on the back of this. And they're not sympathetic to IW.

God they’re so incredibly painfully stupid. I know that they’re used to using the police to trample over women; but not having the wit to understand things like “laws apply from when they come into force” (really ScotGov, April 1st?) 🤦‍♀️

Anything involving the SNP and police Scotland is going to be a messy ill thought out fuck up....why change that habit now.

Precisely why the Denton's playbook was written - keep it under the table and move by stealth. IW taking on JKR is an example of what the TRAs are afraid of - sunlight. Wouldn't surprise me if they shut IW up, and fast.

This utterlyfucking raving mad law. I can't even begin to say how fucking insane it is.

They were told. The police don't want it. Anyone, anywhere, for anything can be anonymously reported by anyone, and Police Scotland are duty bound to report.

There is no criteria or threshhold and you don't need to be the alleged victim. I cannot emphasise enough how batshit this is. I've begged someone to tell me I'm wrong but so far nothing.

Absolutely anything can be reported as a hate crime if someone perceives it to be one.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4901955-scottish-women-speak-up-now-while-you-still-can

Thread with links.

*Perception

For recording purposes, the perception of the victim or any other person is the defining factor in determining whether an incident is a hate incident or in recognising the malice element of a crime. The perception of the victim should always be explored, however they do not have to justify or provide evidence of their belief and police officers or staff members should not directly challenge this perception. Evidence of malice and ill-will is not required for a hate crime or hate incident to be recorded and thereafter investigated as a hate crime or hate incident by police.'*

From police guidance.

The entire reason the wheels are coming off is that those quiet campaigners who guided the UK into its current situation have lost control of the narrative.

Those quiet campaigners have made it incredibly difficult for the captured institutions to back out, which is why we are where we are right now, with increasingly ludicrous rules and guidance coming to light.

I am glad they didn’t get self-ID over the line before it began to unravel, but they’ve done such a good job of embedding this stuff that we’re still at risk of the situation worsening.

JK Rowling is giving a masterclass on giving publicity to the extremism. IW is providing the perfect example of the current demands of transactivism, where narcissistic men are demanding access to and power over women.

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Mental. But doesn't this mean that the person being complained about can knock out the complaint?

"the perception of the victim or any other person is the defining factor"

Great day for lawyers, terrible for everyone else.

IW is providing the perfect example of the current demands of transactivism, where narcissistic men are demanding access to and power over women.

This.

Forcing your presence on unconsenting women and demanding they validate your self perception under threat of arrest.

It's always been the aim of gender ideology.

And now India is yelling it from the rooftops.

I'm guessing it's really beginning to penetrate.