Hollyoaks - well this is creepy!

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This is an important conversation to have #Hollyoaks

https://twitter.com/Flashmaggie/status/1765511265076613611?t=DMjXSrOUX7zq5tzRgsRGEA&s=19

What happened to the boys you worked with does not bear thinking about. I think people find it hard to believe that it really happens.

Yes, befriending and becoming indispensable to the family/mother is a classic first step.

Also I recall a detransitioner speaking about how older transwomen were waiting to ‘give advice’ in the groups teenage girls were joining as transboys and how unsafe this was.(I cannot remember her name)

But in this programme the script is clearly based on the premise that this transwoman is a good, kind, friend, confidante and counsellor to Rose, and that thanks to him Rose will a chance to be “himself” and therefore be happy in life.

The dad, who [in real life] was absolutely spot on, and had every reason to be furious that his daughter was being influenced by the transwoman to think she was a boy, was made to appear unreasonable and out of touch with reality.

I wonder how many rapid onset gender dysphoric little teenage girls will ‘come out’ as boys after watching this popular soap.

And that Channel 4/Hollyoaks may even win an award for this.

So the older male threatens the family that they won't see the young female he's been grooming if they don't enable the grooming even further and instead of immediately phoning police they welcome the older man with open arms and agree to let him continue grooming the young female.

That's terrifying.

Hollyoaks drank the koolaid a long time ago but it's a new low to go down this road of magical adult fairy god'mother' swooping in to lead a young girl down a path of surgery and infertility.

And to plug into the idea of painting any boring old parents who may want a child to look at the full picture for any issues or unhappiness as bigots and unsupportive so that children look outside to other adults is incredibly dangerous. To do this now....when so many stories of how this is affecting and damaging young people permanently are coming out....is about the most irresponsible storinstoryline imagineable.

That was so bad it gave me rickets.

Absolutely!

And even if in this kind of scenario no abuse is intended, its still clearly using the young person for the older person's validation of their choices.

Like an older person who is into drugs encouraging that, or encouraging extremist politics, or living an alternative 'off grid' lifestyle, or even something relatively innocuous like 'Don't go to university, it's rubbish, i didn't and I'm ok' etc. The thing they're encouraging doesn't have to be bad in and of itself, but an older person with a vested interest isn't the neutral source of advice and support that they might like to think they are.

If they truly had the kids best interest at heart they would be supporting them to speak to their parents, not threatening the parents that they'd better comply or the young person will cut them out of their life. What a wholly irresponsible escalation.

I wonder how many rapid onset gender dysphoric little teenage girls will ‘come out’ as boys after watching this popular soap.

Doesn't bear thinking about

And that Channel 4/Hollyoaks may even win an award for this.

I'll be surprised if it doesn't in the present climate

Also I recall a detransitioner speaking about how older transwomen were waiting to ‘give advice’ in the groups teenage girls were joining as transboys and how unsafe this was.(I cannot remember her name)

Is this what you were thinking of?

https://4thwavenow.com/2019/01/26/my-trans-youth-group-experience-with-morgan-page/

Morgan Page of Cotton Ceiling fame? FFS.

This is a stupid question, but what audience is Hollyoaks aimed at? Is it for children?

MrsOvertonsWindow, I'm so sorry, that must have been horrific to have to deal with. I'm glad they had you there, but I hope you also had support to process all of that.

Not for the acting though,that's unthinkable.

It was some time ago but it was a major paedophile investigation that led to prosecutions of the men involved. Can't say too much as the details were all over the press - but many years ago. I got professional support via my employer and of course learnt so much from working alongside front line social workers and the police who have to deal with this stuff on a daily basis.

What does my head in is seeing so many adults - like those producing Hollyoaks - so openly undermining all the protections that society has learnt children need to keep them safe.
Allowing random adults to socially groom children into thinking their bodies could be wrong. Using the emotional coercive techniques to persuade a child that "only I understand how you're really feeling". Presenting sex change as a positive option for a 12 year old and more. And framing people who see all this for what it is as bigots.

I despair at the magnitude of what we're allowing to happen to children at the moment.

So, rather than seeking a therapist with experience and impartiality, this TV network promoted that the best person to advise is someone who is heavily invested?

That is so grim. However, it does reflect what we have seen regularly. Even Helen Lewis advised a parent to tell to Went’s advisory services which is certainly not impartial at all. I can only imagine that it was someone with a trans identity who advised the network that this was the best solution.

And this male person is staying with the family? So the child cannot even have the space to be away from it all. The intensity of having this male person living in the same house giving advice, keeping that ‘intimacy’ going ? No space for the child to be in a neutral environment.

Fucking hell. What could go wrong there?

Yes, it's astonishing, and horrifying.

Thank you for that.

What a revelatory article about the dangerous mixture of older MTF men with teenage FTM gender dysphoric girls who identify as boys.

I had never read that article before, but the young detransitioned woman I mentioned, whom I saw being interviewed (in an American or Canadian Interview) related something so similar that it may have been her.

‘What age group is Hollyoaks aimed at?’

‘At its inception, the soap was targeted towards an adolescent and young adult audience but it has since broadened its appeal to all age groups. Hollyoaks has covered various taboo subjects rarely seen on British television, for which it has received numerous awards.’
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Hollyoaks - Wikipedia

Fucking hell. What could go wrong there?

Nothing. Nothing will go wrong here.

The young trans boy will be easily accepted as a boy and man by every character whose opinion is framed as reasonable.

From time to time characters who have been written as prejudiced against other minority groups may find it difficult to accept the trans boy as male. This will be a learning opportunity for characters. ThE issues will be expressed superficially and framed as an expression of those characters' general small mindedness. Specific questions about comorbitities and the relationship between trans gender identities and gender stereotypes will not be mentioned. Resistence to genderism will be framed simplisticly as a general distaste for cross gender identities.

The older transwoman will embody selfless maternal concern. She will perform the Mrs Madrigal ideal transmom steteotype. Her gender will be portrayed as unproblematically female and utterly non-sexual.

In short, it's a made up situation with made up people who will behave exactly as the scriptwriters decide they should. They will portay the world the TRAs imagine not the world as it really is.

That's why this type of activism is so dangerous.

Case by case each instance can easily be minimised. "Seriously? It's just a TV show! God you GCs are so paranoid it's scary!". But in aggregate, all these constructed stories build up an impression about reality that is in fact based not on any actual reality but on deliberately constructed unreality.

Of course, I'm not suggesting this is a deliberate deception. The fantasy of hidden conspiracies is a thing of TRA paranoia not rational analysis.

What I'm suggesting is that because the scriptwriters are immersed in the "TWAW, most oppressed, women are not body parts" narrative, they truly believe their imaginary trans women character demonstrates the "truth" about trans women better than the many real world examples of trans women who do not embody this selfless feminine ideal. They truly believe the actions and statements of real world trans women are a red herring that should not form part of the conversation.

They believe the real truth is the world as they want it to be and that matters far more than what the world might currently be, because what the world might currently be is just something that happened to develop in the short term because no one was trying to make it better. So from that perspective, if reality currently contradicts our claims it's best to ignore it because while it might be real in the short-term that's just happenstance, it's not the truth!

Bang on. From the age of 8 or 9 you learn about the dreadful things that can happen to you as a woman or a girl, males start pushing you to have sex with them from here onwards and predators are everywhere. Then when you have kids, you start to notice childless men hanging out in children's playgrounds, pretending to look at their phones. It really never lets up.

@ForCoralFox most GC women aren't going to tell you they're GC because they're worried you'll tell their employers. I know quite a few that sadly have to keep it secret

How lovely of you to slut shame me, especially in the context of me recalling childhood abuse, even if the abuse was less severe than others have experienced. How feminist of you. And what do you know of my sexual boundaries, not that they are relevant to anything?

And by the way having counted the seconds is obsessive.
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"Slut shaming" and "obsessive" you're so busted!*

No one who knows me thinks that I would do anything like that. Also I know my family and friends. I know they aren't the type to be gender critical. I'm lucky in that those type of people just aren't in my circles.

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. As for 'busted.' How am I busted? Am I about to be the subject of another outlandish conspiracy theory. Please do share, they bring me much merriment.

Exactly. I had a friend who seemed like a decent enough person (in most situations) but was so zealous I did not feel safe expressing my opinions. It would have taken him five seconds of anger and not thinking through the consequences to have had me permanently ostracised from a fan community we were both part of. As it was, his mere suspicion that I didn't agree wholesale with all his politics was enough to damage some of my friendships.

Similarly, I had to bite my tongue at a work social where two team leaders were loudly discussing how much they hated "TERFs" and JKR. I liked that job and didn't want to risk being bullied or forced out. And they would have tried.

Your behaviour on this board over the last week would indicate that it is doubtful that you either understand what gender critical feminists believe or that you understand what anyone who knows you would think you are likely to do. You do not show the degree of awareness or even self awareness that you seem to think you do.