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Judith Butler describes the October 7 attacks by Hamas as "armed resistance"

218 replies

DerekFaker · 06/03/2024 09:03

Just that really. One of the pioneers of gender identity bullshit sees nothing wrong with what Hamas did. Can't say I'm too surprised.

https://twitter.com/josephhirsch5/status/1764784098822750420?t=exEWstv0huUMaPvoUe_eGg&s=19

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AlphariusOmegron · 07/03/2024 09:16

YetAnotherSpartacus · 07/03/2024 09:14

I actually stepped in to try and get this thread stopped because they always turn into a he said / she said pile of bullshit.

Nah. You stepped in because not everyone was buying your antisemitic, pro VAWG rhetoric.

Being very clearly anti zionist is not anti Semitic.

I've also clearly said nobody is in the right any more and it's just a story of vengeance - that will never likely end.

RebelliousCow · 07/03/2024 09:17

AlphariusOmegron · 07/03/2024 09:13

Jews have equal rights in Israel. Palestinians do not. Therefore it is a racist apartheid state.

Key points include the existence of different laws and mobility restrictions for Palestinians in the West Bank compared to Jewish settlers, the blockade of Gaza, citizenship rights that favor Jews (such as the Law of Return for Jews worldwide), and disparities in land ownership and access to resources.

Report away. You'll need to prove me wrong.

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The West Bank and Gaza are not Israel. They are lands set aside for the creation of a Palestinian state ( 'The Palestinian territories'). The state that the arab leaders have rejected on many occasions over the decades. Hamas were elected in Gaza and the PA govern the West Bank. Palestinians are not Israelis.

20% of the Israeli population is Arab; there are also Bedouins, Christians and Druze. They all have the vote; can all serve in the judiciary; can be found in every occupation and walk of life.

ArabellaScott · 07/03/2024 09:17

AlphariusOmegron · 07/03/2024 08:58

I did. See above. Israel is a racist state, founded on racism that continues to be racist. It is an apartheid state because different people have different rights and treatment depending on their religion and ethnicity.

Israel is a racist, occupying, apartheid state that plays the constant victim whilst committing warcrimes on a yearly basis.

What race do you think Israelis are?

RebelliousCow · 07/03/2024 09:19

AlphariusOmegron · 07/03/2024 09:16

Being very clearly anti zionist is not anti Semitic.

I've also clearly said nobody is in the right any more and it's just a story of vengeance - that will never likely end.

The anti semitism is often very thinly veiled beneath many anti zionist sentiments, even if those subscribing to these views have little awareness of their history or context.

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turbonerd · 07/03/2024 09:20

puffyisgood · 06/03/2024 15:18

as I linked above, the Jewish virtual library shows that around two thirds of the post 1948 immigration to Israel was from Eastern Europe. less than a quarter from the middle East & north Africa.

There’s a very good reason for this.
You will find it if you dig a little deeper.

Hints are WW2, Holocaust - concentration camps, Babi Yar. Sadly the list is horribly long.
It will explain your query though.

AlphariusOmegron · 07/03/2024 09:21

RebelliousCow · 07/03/2024 09:17

The West Bank and Gaza are not Israel. They are lands set aside for the creation of a Palestinian state ( 'The Palestinian territories'). The state that the arab leaders have rejected on many occasions over the decades. Hamas were elected in Gaza and the PA govern the West Bank. Palestinians are not Israelis.

20% of the Israeli population is Arab; there are also Bedouins, Christians and Druze. They all have the vote; can all serve in the judiciary; can be found in every occupation and walk of life.

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Funny how many Israeli settlements there are in lands that Israel stole from other people isn't it. Funny how much they have shrunk over the years as well.

NotBadConsidering · 07/03/2024 09:21

AlphariusOmegron · 07/03/2024 09:11

But - thats true - what exactly did Israel expect after kettling 2 million people for 15 years? Israel doesn't get to break international law ands expect no repercussions does it?

NOBODY IS IN THE RIGHT ANY MORE.

This is just a short list of reasons why people are fucked off with Israel

  1. Occupation of Palestinian Territories: Following the 1967 Six-Day War, Israel occupied the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip. The international community, including the United Nations, generally considers these areas to be occupied territories and regards the Israeli settlements built there as illegal under international law, a view that Israel disputes.
  2. Military Operations and Conflicts: Various military operations in the Gaza Strip and West Bank have been criticized for the high civilian casualties and destruction of property. Operations such as "Cast Lead" (2008-2009), "Pillar of Defense" (2012), and "Protective Edge" (2014) have led to significant loss of life and infrastructure damage in Gaza, raising concerns about proportionality and discrimination under international humanitarian law.
  3. Blockade of Gaza: Since 2007, Israel, with Egypt, has imposed a blockade on the Gaza Strip, restricting the movement of goods and people. Critics argue this blockade amounts to collective punishment, which is prohibited under international law, and severely impacts the humanitarian situation in Gaza.
  4. Settlement Expansion: The continued expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem has been widely criticized as illegal under international law, particularly the Fourth Geneva Convention, and as an obstacle to peace by diminishing the viability of a future Palestinian state.
  5. Home Demolitions and Evictions: Israel has been criticized for the demolition of Palestinian homes in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, both as punitive measures and due to lack of building permits, which are extremely difficult for Palestinians to obtain. Critics argue this practice amounts to forced displacement.
  6. Treatment of Prisoners: Allegations of mistreatment and torture of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli detention facilities have been raised by human rights organizations.
  7. Violence and Use of Force: There have been numerous instances where the use of force by the Israeli military and police against Palestinians has been criticized as excessive or unjustified, including during protests and confrontations.
  8. Restrictions on Movement: The system of checkpoints, barriers, and the separation wall built by Israel in the West Bank has been criticized for restricting the movement of Palestinians, affecting their access to employment, education, healthcare, and religious sites. The International Court of Justice (ICJ) advisory opinion in 2004 found that the construction of the wall in the occupied Palestinian territory was contrary to international law.
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But - thats true - what exactly did Israel expect

And there we have it. Brazen. What did Israel expect: can’t blame Hamas for raping women, it’s just to be “expected”

Not even trying to hide it. The rest of your post is just trying to justify rape.

BackToLurk · 07/03/2024 09:21

AlphariusOmegron · 07/03/2024 09:13

Jews have equal rights in Israel. Palestinians do not. Therefore it is a racist apartheid state.

Key points include the existence of different laws and mobility restrictions for Palestinians in the West Bank compared to Jewish settlers, the blockade of Gaza, citizenship rights that favor Jews (such as the Law of Return for Jews worldwide), and disparities in land ownership and access to resources.

Report away. You'll need to prove me wrong.

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Why are you using 'Jews ' and 'Palestinians' rather than 'Israelis' and 'Palestinians ' ?

ArabellaScott · 07/03/2024 09:23

Alpha; you keep.saying Israel is racist. What race are you claiming Israelis are?

RebelliousCow · 07/03/2024 09:23

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It is not me that is hard of thinking. You have made no effort to engage with any of my posts above or over the last few pages which actually do display some awareness of history and context. You clearly have no awareness of the history of ant semitism and the many forms it has taken.

AlphariusOmegron · 07/03/2024 09:23

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The overlap is huge.
It's very hard not to notice that.

AlphariusOmegron · 07/03/2024 09:25

ArabellaScott · 07/03/2024 09:23

Alpha; you keep.saying Israel is racist. What race are you claiming Israelis are?

"Jewish" can be a ethnicity as well as a religion.

It's also not clear what constitutes Israel, and what constitutes Palestine, given the liquidity of the borders since 1948.

AlphariusOmegron · 07/03/2024 09:26

EdithStourton · 07/03/2024 09:25

The overlap is huge.
It's very hard not to notice that.

Your point being?

I'm very very sure that being anti zionist is a belief worthy of respect in a democratic society.

ArabellaScott · 07/03/2024 09:27

AlphariusOmegron · 07/03/2024 09:25

"Jewish" can be a ethnicity as well as a religion.

It's also not clear what constitutes Israel, and what constitutes Palestine, given the liquidity of the borders since 1948.

So Israel is racist on what basis?

AlphariusOmegron · 07/03/2024 09:27

BackToLurk · 07/03/2024 09:21

Why are you using 'Jews ' and 'Palestinians' rather than 'Israelis' and 'Palestinians ' ?

Because, in Israel and the West Bank, they are treated differently on that basis

AlphariusOmegron · 07/03/2024 09:27

ArabellaScott · 07/03/2024 09:27

So Israel is racist on what basis?

See previous long posts above, I won't bother cutting and pasting.

ArabellaScott · 07/03/2024 09:28

AlphariusOmegron · 07/03/2024 09:27

Because, in Israel and the West Bank, they are treated differently on that basis

Who is treated differently, by whom?

NotBadConsidering · 07/03/2024 09:28

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Wilfully stupid? I posted about how people are desperate to say “what does Israel expect but rape when they treat people they way they do?” and within minutes you say “what does Israel expect but rape when they treat people the way they do?”

It’s not me being wilfully stupid, it’s you failing to hide your contempt and lack of concern for Israeli women.

RebelliousCow · 07/03/2024 09:28

AlphariusOmegron · 07/03/2024 09:21

Funny how many Israeli settlements there are in lands that Israel stole from other people isn't it. Funny how much they have shrunk over the years as well.

There were not any Israeli settlements in the West Bank until after 1967, which is when the PLO turned down a two state solution. Israel withdrew all its settlers from Gaza in 2005, what did the Palestinians do? They elected Hamas and declared a jihad and started firing rockets on a daily basis into Israel. Hence the security wall.

Gaza was Egytpian territory until 1967, and the West Bank Was Jordanian. If a two state solution had been agreed all those decades ago then there would already be a Palestinian state and the issue of radicalised Israeli settlers would not be the thing it now is.

AlphariusOmegron · 07/03/2024 09:30

RebelliousCow · 07/03/2024 09:28

There were not any Israeli settlements in the West Bank until after 1967, which is when the PLO turned down a two state solution. Israel withdrew all its settlers from Gaza in 2005, what did the Palestinians do? They elected Hamas and declared a jihad and started firing rockets on a daily basis into Israel. Hence the security wall.

Gaza was Egytpian territory until 1967, and the West Bank Was Jordanian. If a two state solution had been agreed all those decades ago then there would already be a Palestinian state and the issue of radicalised Israeli settlers would not be the thing it now is.

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Ah it's all the Palestinians fault for not rolling over and taking it, after someone came and stole their country

Sorry, silly me.

Thats what we tell our kids to do after all, someone took 3/4 of your toys? Well make friends with them or they might take the rest!

RebelliousCow · 07/03/2024 09:31

AlphariusOmegron · 07/03/2024 09:27

Because, in Israel and the West Bank, they are treated differently on that basis

Which other country gives the vote to people who are not citizens? The West Bank is not Israel. It is a Palestinian territory.

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