JKR vs IW

[ZeldaFighter]

Are we going to talk about this? I think JKR was feeling a bit grumpy today 😀

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/jk-rowling-india-willoughby-twitter-gender-b2507309.html

I am a bit worried that "naice" people will think JKR is being horrid.

Does anyone have any reading recommendations linked to what constitutes 'hate' and how this definition is used to determine what is/isn't legal. I would love to read this.

I think discrimination, whilst still tricky, is more objective. What is/isn't deemed hateful is subjective, and the idea that it can be quantified by the amount of emotional/ psychological hurt caused is clearly flawed.

A legal perspective that doesn't just interpret the current law but also covers what informed the law in the first place and whether it delivers on this intention would be really interest

In Scotland, where self id has been introduced by stealth, there's evidence that women are being harmed. It seems like every day there's more and more evidence - the most recent evidence suppressed by the Scottish Government regarding the SPS policy being one.

But those pushing self id, don't care. To quote one in particular....

IW may be optimistic that this may lead to more TV invitations or speaking roles on panels.

Willoughby's brand of, er, time wasting attention seeking has done very little for them lately. It's the link to J. K. Rowling that's doing it for them now.

Without Joanne, they'd still be in Twitter obscurity stamping their feet.

I'm assuming that given her identification of Willoughby as a narcissist, she will be withdrawing the supply.

In which case, any temporary profile raising will disintegrate, in my opinion. Which, I predict, will send Willoughby into the stratosphere.

I mean, there's not a lot further to go than insisting the police arrest J. K. Rowling, and failing that, change the law, and then arrest her, and when they say no just repeat it to another police force.

I mean, Willoughby could, potentially, go through every police force in the country.

And I can't say I wouldn't enjoy that.

i'm almost fascinated wondering how far Willoughby potentially could go. The lack of filter, any self restraint, or factual self perception could lead them anywhere!

'Thousands'.

I don't suppose we'll see any at all.

It already has been shown that it is detrimental to women, hence end of policy of self ID in prisons, Labour kicking plans for self ID into the long grass.

However I don’t think feminists can take full credit for that. Isla Bryson made a pretty convincing argument.

Oh, RAPTURE!

😂

Well done, Hazel!

I mean, there's not a lot further to go than insisting the police arrest J. K. Rowling, and failing that, change the law, and then arrest her, and when they say no just repeat it to another police force.

Yes.

It's a wish list, and it's not really working out. The protected characteristic ensures equality under law, it does not control others or prevent the speaking of truth.

I think we should have an FWR sweepstake.
Pick the next police force IW will approach.
I'll put all of the geographical areas in a virtual bobble hat here, and you can pick one out.

That poster has no fucking idea 😀

Lower level hostilities

Like de-humanising women and reducing them to various body parts, for instance? And forcing this into schools, NHS, policing and politics? And deliberately publicising misinterpretation of the law to achieve this?

That sort of "lower level hostilities"?

Appeal what? There has been no court case, no crime committed.

IW just doesn't like hearing the word 'No'.

I think he’ll try up here in Scotland next - although Police Scotland are very busy looking into the affairs of the SNP at the moment and may not have time to indulge India’s foot stamping.

The trouble for IW is that IW has been crying wolf by calling everything transphobic and everything abusive.

The decision is clear.

Misgendering is NOT a crime.

Time to let it go

The GC argument on the other hand needs to show that self-ID is detrimental to women.

In the Denmark example, what measures have been put in place to monitor the impacts of self ID on women and girls?

If it’s not being effectively measured you can’t prove it’s not detrimental to women and girls, can you?

Especially when women that do object to males in their spaces are accused of transphobia?

Why does the precautionary principle not apply to the safeguarding of women and children?

Ah bless, some poor soul trying to give sensible advice to IW gets a slap on the wrist

I think you need to accept who you are and stop worrying about what other people believe you are.

If you focus on yourself instead of others, you will see massive improvements in mental health and physical health.

https://twitter.com/TonyCrystals/status/1766458256573022675

Excuse me? I’m very happy with who I am and I’m legally recognised as such. The only fly in the ointment is the horrific abuse and complete strangers and Billionaire’s trying to take that away from me. How about you accept that?

https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1766467721850404994

I will be appealing

Not to me you won't India, mate.

They should be finding that the countries who have put in place self- ID are falling down the league tables for women's equality and well-being after introducing it, not staying at the top, which they are presently doing.

If they aren’t linked it’s irrelevant.

What we can show is that the concept of self ID has been abused, specifically in prisons, and that practically in U.K. law it would only work if a GRC became meaningless.

I agree that in some situations segregation by sex excludes some people unfairly, not least women. But sometimes recognition of sex is relevant and necessary. Recognising that different groups have different and sometimes conflicting needs is a fundamental concept in human rights.

There just isn’t anything intrinsic that groups together women apart from biology.

I will be appealing

Not to me you won't India, mate.

Nor me and I suspect, many others. IW is finally in a genuine minority group.

<shoves hand into hat>

<picks Blaenau Ffestiniog>

Ah, bollox!

Do I get another go?

God, the rage is off the bloody scale.

Furious with everyone.

Is it a pink bobble hat?

Doesn't it demonstrate though, if other people say no and refuse to create the illusion, it can't exist even in the mind of the person who created it.

I've never seen such a spectacular example of the Streisand Effect before. Well done India, you may have peaked the nation.

Also that IW has an unhealthy relationship with social media!

(Logs off and goes to do some work…)

Perhaps Windy means ask for a review of the police decision not to prosecute? But doesn’t that only apply where the police have conducted interviews under caution ie a voluntary interview or once a suspect has been arrested?

Certain things about the statements I’m not happy with

Is that just stopping short of accusing someone of lying?