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BonnyBo · 07/03/2024 07:08

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We asked what crime had been committed in calling India Willoughby a man. Luckily for us, renowned criminal law expert Prof Whittle was on hand to tell us.

Brilliant strategic move here by IW. Either the police do nothing - likely - or they arrest JKR - hopefully - and peak the entire Western World in 5 minutes

JKR vs IW
Lion400 · 07/03/2024 07:50

If there are some sensible people in the police, who know that sex matters, they will arrest JKR to ensure this goes all the way to its inevitable, glorious conclusion 🙌🙌

:)

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/03/2024 07:53

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Crankywiddershins · 07/03/2024 08:02

@HootyMcBooby "You (not to anyone in particular) can demonstrate your disbelief in gravity if you like, I will open the window for you while you plummet to your death."
Surely that's literal violence defenestration?

Maerchentante · 07/03/2024 08:06

WandaWomblesaurus · 06/03/2024 23:42

Remember her at the Olympics? It's worth a watch again.
The Mary Poppins terfs at the end!
Weirdly prophetic.

I have the "Isle of Wonder" Soundtrack on my phone and the music for this section came on this morning on shuffle, while I was reading her tweets from last night.
All my admiration for JKR

SinnerBoy · 07/03/2024 08:11

Helleofabore · Yesterday 23:28

I asked her if she's going to sue.

SinnerBoy · 07/03/2024 08:13

fromorbit · Today 05:13

Look who got community noted... Willoughby is not doing well.

I realised that you can give a critique of a community note and gave it a good one. Does anyone else want to do it?

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/03/2024 08:15

Mollyollydolly · 07/03/2024 00:24

Just laughing at this trailer from Byline. India was happy to do an interview. JK Rowling surprisingly didn't respond. Throughout the trailer he uses the male pronoun for India. These people are absolutely insane.
https://twitter.com/BylineTV/status/1765529551117971581

The date on that is 7th March 2024.

Is that when it was actually posted? If so will this young ma- . . . er, pers- *. . . er, individual life form get a visit from the police, too, do you think?

*Look - I don't know if he/she/they/xye/fe/fi/fo/fum/etc is cat gender or anything. Heaven forfend that I upset any- . . . just any. That'll have to do. I haven't got the energy for this.

(For the record, my pronouns are kish/ mir in/ tuchas. I expect you all to respect them, and to express the via the medium of interpretive dance.)

NotBadConsidering · 07/03/2024 08:24

Just catching up on this thread. MNHQ’s policy of deleting posts for “deliberate misgendering” is looking increasingly silly. In 10 years time: “we used to remove posts when posters called men men and when men who didn’t want to be called men complained to us about it.”

Hopefully JKR can show via IW how preposterous this is.

Helleofabore · 07/03/2024 08:26

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/03/2024 08:15

The date on that is 7th March 2024.

Is that when it was actually posted? If so will this young ma- . . . er, pers- *. . . er, individual life form get a visit from the police, too, do you think?

*Look - I don't know if he/she/they/xye/fe/fi/fo/fum/etc is cat gender or anything. Heaven forfend that I upset any- . . . just any. That'll have to do. I haven't got the energy for this.

(For the record, my pronouns are kish/ mir in/ tuchas. I expect you all to respect them, and to express the via the medium of interpretive dance.)

That particular one was posted around midnight it seems. about two hours after the clip that they released was posted.

Cosmosforbreakfast · 07/03/2024 08:28

JKR is an extremely strong, brave and very intelligent woman, IW is none of these. Reporting JKR to police is making an ever bigger tit of himself than usual. JKR as always, will know exactly what she's doing and as always, be 7 steps ahead of IW. It'll be interesting to see how this all pans out.

SinnerBoy · 07/03/2024 08:30

NotBadConsidering · Today 08:24

One of mine has been deleted, but I'm pretty sure I didn't "misgender."

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/03/2024 08:47

Helleofabore · 07/03/2024 08:26

That particular one was posted around midnight it seems. about two hours after the clip that they released was posted.

Edited

Thank you - I know that sometimes with news articles the date on them is the date you access them, for some reason, and to find the date of publication you have to dig about a bit.

Look forward to IW having another meltdown and calling out the SAS. for this egregious misgendering.

Lion400 · 07/03/2024 08:52

BeckyAMumsnet · 06/03/2024 18:21

Hi all - we're happy to clarify a few things. When we introduced the guidelines, the aim was always to strike a sensible balance between freedom of expression and hosting discussions where folks with differing views would feel comfortable taking part. Deliberately misgendering, especially if done so as a personal attack will pretty much always be deleted when reported, as it's just not in keeping with those aims. We're not out to punish anyone and we really don't think there's anything to be gained by being overly prescriptive either. If your use of language is necessary to illustrate your point then it's much less likely to be in breach of our guidelines. As with everything, we look in context and on a case-by-case basis.

It's always fine to get in touch with us if you have any questions about our moderation - [email protected]

No no no. You can’t censor people for giving factually correct information.

There are two sexes. One is either male or female. They are the scientifically correct sexes.

Males are he and females are she. They are the grammatically correct pronouns.

If a person wishes to identify as someone other than their biological sex, or use something other than grammatically correct pronouns, that’s entirely up to them (as long as not hurting anybody else or taking away anybody else’s rights*); but they cannot demand that the world does that too. It’s got to stop.

Beowulfa · 07/03/2024 08:58

Does Willoughby think that if this ends up in a court case, or just splashed across the media, Willoughyby's own tweet record isn't going to be analysed? Is Willoughby really that thick? Or is it the extreme arrogance of the trans identity shield?

What's that line about the confidence of a mediocre white bloke?

Cosmosforbreakfast · 07/03/2024 09:05

Is Willoughby really that thick?

Yes.

Helleofabore · 07/03/2024 09:07

Beowulfa · 07/03/2024 08:58

Does Willoughby think that if this ends up in a court case, or just splashed across the media, Willoughyby's own tweet record isn't going to be analysed? Is Willoughby really that thick? Or is it the extreme arrogance of the trans identity shield?

What's that line about the confidence of a mediocre white bloke?

Well.. remember that a similarly described male got away with inciting violence towards women and girls because ‘just jokes’…

It could go any which way in my eyes at the moment.

Signalbox · 07/03/2024 09:19

If it did end up in court (it won’t) the Kate Scottow case would be relevant here wouldn’t it? If it’s not criminal to call a man a pig in a wig then someone calling a man a man should be fine.

pronounsbundlebundle · 07/03/2024 09:25

Cosmosforbreakfast · 07/03/2024 08:28

JKR is an extremely strong, brave and very intelligent woman, IW is none of these. Reporting JKR to police is making an ever bigger tit of himself than usual. JKR as always, will know exactly what she's doing and as always, be 7 steps ahead of IW. It'll be interesting to see how this all pans out.

Anyone who thinks they can get one over on JKR really hasn't read her books. Yes, she can think at least 7 steps ahead and she really understands human nature. Brilliant woman. Thank goodness for JKR.

RoyalCorgi · 07/03/2024 09:31

Anyone who thinks they can get one over on JKR really hasn't read her books. Yes, she can think at least 7 steps ahead and she really understands human nature. Brilliant woman. Thank goodness for JKR.

JKR is bringing me so much joy at the moment. Watching someone with JKR's giant brain take on someone as stupid as India would feel like cruelty if it wasn't the fact that India is so horrible that India deserves everything that is coming to them.

Do you think that, at some point, a little light will go on in the back of India's tiny little brain when India realises that if you're going to claim that misgendering is a criminal offence, then maybe it wasn't such a good idea to misgender Debbie Hayton? Or is India too thick to realise that India has sabotaged India's own argument?

WickedSerious · 07/03/2024 09:40

The offence of 'misgendering' is a bit like throwing unicorn shit at a passing car or being untoward about the tooth fairy.

SinnerBoy · 07/03/2024 09:42

Untoward about the Tooth Fairy?

lip tremble

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2024 09:44

If it did end up in court (it won’t) the Kate Scottow case would be relevant here wouldn’t it? If it’s not criminal to call a man a pig in a wig then someone calling a man a man should be fine.

TRAs are always quick to point out that the case was just not about "misgendering".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2024 09:46

I don't mind people being untoward about the Tooth Fairy, but just you try coming for the Easter Bunny.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2024 09:49

"Transgender newsreader" when was the last time Willoughby read the news? 1994? Grin

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