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TheGreatGherkin · 01/03/2024 08:43

No great loss to society.

Emotionalsupportviper · 01/03/2024 08:50

IcakethereforeIam · 29/02/2024 19:35

I wonder if that's the name that's going on his tombstone, recorded on his death certificate, and the prison service will record that a woman died behind bars. I expect they'll be an inquest from which nothing will be learned because from the off they've buggered up the basics.

I was wondering that - if perhaps they'll have "daughter" of <parents' names> etc

If so, I hope they use the quotation marks - and an asterisk with a bit saying *"Yeah, right" at the bottom of the tombstone/ any documentsation.

(Actually - I hope he either has no marker, or it is in an unnamed place, otherwise I can see it becoming some sort of shrine for perverts.)

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2024 08:59

I wonder if the BBC will now refer to all transwomen as 'transgender woman who was previously known as a man'.

It implies that Tiffany has actually become a woman, which is daft, but at least it makes it clear that Tiffany is male.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 01/03/2024 09:06

CantFindTheBeat · 29/02/2024 19:33

archive.is/2024.02.28-215633/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/28/trans-cat-killer-scarlet-blake-crimes-will-recorded/

'Scarlet Blake's crimes have also been recorded as being carried out by a woman.

The Police and Crime Commissioner for Thames Valley ( so his area) is trying to force ‘his ‘ police force to record sex , not gender.

Mr Barber is a brave and principled man, I wish there were more like him.

Helleofabore · 01/03/2024 09:11

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2024 08:59

I wonder if the BBC will now refer to all transwomen as 'transgender woman who was previously known as a man'.

It implies that Tiffany has actually become a woman, which is daft, but at least it makes it clear that Tiffany is male.

Baby steps.

I think if people who demand that they should be able to forget they are male by assuming a female name and demanding to be known ‘as a woman’, see that media and organisations are less and less inclined to do so when it is important to know the background of the person in question, perhaps less will try to make that demand.

Think about it, if you are noted in media as ‘x who is transgender and did y while known as x’ it may deter some. If media keep pointing out that Bridges, who also holds a male UK cycling record under the name [insert name], it is a start. Just like if the media pointed out stuff about Munroe Bergdorf being male while claiming woman of the year.

We need to find a reliable solution to communicate clearly that will be allowable and relevant. This Justin Webb issue will cause a lot of discussion, I hope.

Mind you, I have no idea why some posters get stuck in the ‘you are all just getting carried away, it doesn’t say ‘she’’ mode. Surely posters are fully aware that digital media gets changed regularly. So to just fall back to believing women are complaining about fuck all because they are just finding something to complain about and that the women were just wrong really says more about the poster trying to shame others than the ones discussing language used in reporting.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/03/2024 09:15

Mummyoflittledragon · 01/03/2024 05:48

I can’t believe the prison service ordered 3 female officers to be to carry out a strip search after the attack on the nurse and grown men needing to protect themselves with what sounds like riot gear. There really is no sense left. I really do hope this death was just natural causes otherwise there will be an outcry that this person would still be alive if housed in a woman’s prison without considering that members of a female prison or prison officers may not.

I suspect he was such an obvious bad'un that the trans community may at this point be somewhat muted about claiming him as one of their own. The 'no true Scotsman' fallacy.

It's the prison staff I'm sorry for - having to deal with him and now doubtless be put through then investigation into this death in the glare of publicity. Of course it's entirely correct there should always be a thorough inquiry into deaths in custody, lessons learned etc.

Working in prisons is a thankless task - I'd like to thank them now for keeping us safe from Scott (and others) at considerable risk to themselves. Keeping him safe - whether from himself or others we don't know - was likely impossible.

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2024 09:17

Helleofabore · 01/03/2024 09:11

Baby steps.

I think if people who demand that they should be able to forget they are male by assuming a female name and demanding to be known ‘as a woman’, see that media and organisations are less and less inclined to do so when it is important to know the background of the person in question, perhaps less will try to make that demand.

Think about it, if you are noted in media as ‘x who is transgender and did y while known as x’ it may deter some. If media keep pointing out that Bridges, who also holds a male UK cycling record under the name [insert name], it is a start. Just like if the media pointed out stuff about Munroe Bergdorf being male while claiming woman of the year.

We need to find a reliable solution to communicate clearly that will be allowable and relevant. This Justin Webb issue will cause a lot of discussion, I hope.

Mind you, I have no idea why some posters get stuck in the ‘you are all just getting carried away, it doesn’t say ‘she’’ mode. Surely posters are fully aware that digital media gets changed regularly. So to just fall back to believing women are complaining about fuck all because they are just finding something to complain about and that the women were just wrong really says more about the poster trying to shame others than the ones discussing language used in reporting.

As a minor aside, this is why I tend to archive any article I come across that is likely to be contentious. It doesn't take long and is useful.

How to archive:

Go to archive.ph

Paste the url into the box at the top and hit 'archive'.

That's it.

Baldieheid · 01/03/2024 09:25

I hate to think what this individual went through as a child to turn him this violent, destructive and also self destructive. He didn't seem to have any self preservation instincts at all, and self harm features highly from press reports.

I'm glad for his sake that his miserable existence is over. I hope there is someone, somewhere, who mourns him.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 01/03/2024 09:33

I’ve read that Andrew Burns was repeatedly assessed by psychiatrists. He wasn’t mentally ill, none of the psychiatrists found there was anything wrong with him at all, that’s why he was not moved to a secure hospital.

the only reason he wasn’t in a woman’s prison is because if the work of KPSS and FWS and many others.

it came very close here to us having another dangerous man in the female estate. I say “another” because Paris Green is a vicious murderer who used to ,for years,have to be moved to the male estate for having sex with inmates. I assume the subtext is that those inmates were raped but chose not to pursue charges.

Scotland is becoming a dangerous place for women.

IcakethereforeIam · 01/03/2024 11:04

Mrsjayy · 01/03/2024 07:28

it wasn't she at all I read that very article last night there was no she I mean you
maybe read it as she an assumption. and on the TV news there was no she said. I they are no loss but let's not get carried away.

I hope you've seen the screenshots by now and have seen I wasn't lying or getting carried away. Tbf, I don't blame you for doubting, it was a surreal and jarring experience reading she this, she that and she the other in conjunction with the photos. They did change it very rapidly. My first comments were about 3 minutes apart and it was corrected in that timespan, although I don't know how long the first version was up for.

IcakethereforeIam · 01/03/2024 11:09

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2024 09:17

As a minor aside, this is why I tend to archive any article I come across that is likely to be contentious. It doesn't take long and is useful.

How to archive:

Go to archive.ph

Paste the url into the box at the top and hit 'archive'.

That's it.

Do you know what happens if someone archives another version of a previously archived item? Can you still access the first version or is it overwritten?

Emotionalsupportviper · 01/03/2024 11:10

stealtheatingtunnocks · 01/03/2024 09:33

I’ve read that Andrew Burns was repeatedly assessed by psychiatrists. He wasn’t mentally ill, none of the psychiatrists found there was anything wrong with him at all, that’s why he was not moved to a secure hospital.

the only reason he wasn’t in a woman’s prison is because if the work of KPSS and FWS and many others.

it came very close here to us having another dangerous man in the female estate. I say “another” because Paris Green is a vicious murderer who used to ,for years,have to be moved to the male estate for having sex with inmates. I assume the subtext is that those inmates were raped but chose not to pursue charges.

Scotland is becoming a dangerous place for women.

I'm sure that I can recall reading that women who complain/ query having men in their showers, calls and recreation areas, and who complain about feeling intimidated or even about having been assaulted, have lost privileges as a result of it.

Unfortunately I didn't bookmark the page - it was some time ago.

Musomama1 · 01/03/2024 11:14

Why is Tiffany Scott being reported as being transgender, but the cat killer reported as being a woman?

This makes the cat killer story look even more ridiculous.

Baldieheid · 01/03/2024 11:35

Musomama1 · 01/03/2024 11:14

Why is Tiffany Scott being reported as being transgender, but the cat killer reported as being a woman?

This makes the cat killer story look even more ridiculous.

I don't think even media liars can keep up with the lies any more. Nobody knows the rules, cos there ARE no rules. I suspect the resulting confusion and chaos is the absolute intention of the mob behind all this kind of crap. Isn't that the entire plan behind all the critical race theory? Destroy civilisation and allow anarchy to take over? Explode the idea of family, destruction of social norms and eventually it'll be like a massive roman orgy of men having sex in public with 5 year olds. That's perhaps a little extreme, but having seen the recent bollocks, I actually think it may be the thin edge of the wedge.

NancyDrawed · 01/03/2024 11:52

IcakethereforeIam · 01/03/2024 11:09

Do you know what happens if someone archives another version of a previously archived item? Can you still access the first version or is it overwritten?

I tried to archive my original copy but because it was still 'live' the updated copy was what was saved.

I don't know how to archive from a cache, so I downloaded it as a pdf before closing the tab. Took some screenshots too for good measure.

OP posts:
Bosky · 01/03/2024 12:34

IcakethereforeIam · 01/03/2024 11:09

Do you know what happens if someone archives another version of a previously archived item? Can you still access the first version or is it overwritten?

Each version gets archived separately. The Search results on the archive site will show all the versions archived and you can choose which version(s) to look at. Some versions will be identical.

WickedSerious · 01/03/2024 12:35

Meh.

anyolddinosaur · 01/03/2024 12:52

It's nasty and unnecessary to celebrate the death of a 32 year old. Yes he was a very violent offender and the prison staff are much safer now. I doubt he would ever have been considered for release. His mother may still be alive and anyone related to him will have suffered greatly from being related to him. Even if you disowned your relative other people would still treat you differently.

Emotionalsupportviper · 01/03/2024 12:55

I'm sorry if you find it offensive, Dinosaur - but on this occasion, I can barely hold myself back from dancing in the street.

WickedSerious · 01/03/2024 12:55

The world is a better place without him.

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2024 13:10

I do feel compassion for him. While also recognising that his life seemed a very turbulent and difficult one for him and everyone who encountered him.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 01/03/2024 13:17

NancyDrawed · 01/03/2024 11:52

I tried to archive my original copy but because it was still 'live' the updated copy was what was saved.

I don't know how to archive from a cache, so I downloaded it as a pdf before closing the tab. Took some screenshots too for good measure.

Cross post

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2024 13:25

I'm glad to see the trans community is not disowning Tiffany and is owning his trans identity.

'A 32-year old trans woman has died in prison today - I know nothing about her other than this, and that the BBC's version of the article includes her former name anyway, because of course they're going to be dicks about it.

Obvious disclaimer: showing sympathy towards someone who is part of our community and also has been convicted of criminal acts does not automatically mean you condone or approve of those criminal acts. All trans people deserve respect as human beings, and most often, trans prisoners don't get that - or get trotted out by the media as examples to rally the public against all of us.

I hope the inquiry on her death will be fair, transparent and impartial. Unfortunately, I have my doubts.'

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1b3ttip/pinknews_trans_woman_tiffany_scott_dies_in/

ErrolTheDragon · 01/03/2024 13:44

I suppose Reddit wouldn't tolerate a mild suggestion that they educate themselves before posting self-confessed ignorant comments.