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JK Rowling has sadly opened her mouth again

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DayAndAge · 27/02/2024 08:20

How the metro can put out this tweet which effectively suggests a woman shouldn't be allowed to speak is beyond me. Shocked but not surprised. Comments are heartening though, as is the ratio.

JK Rowling has sadly opened her mouth again
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lifeturnsonadime · 07/03/2024 08:12

Don't forget that JKR is in Scotland which adds an interesting angle, to say the very least.

Helleofabore · 07/03/2024 08:14

RedToothBrush · 07/03/2024 08:00

I think if IW is stupid enough to go down the Malicious Comms route I'll fall over laughing.

Has IW actually done this or has IW just said 'I am reporting' is yet another blow of hot air?

Willoughby 'suggested' the police could treat it as Malicious Comms in the Byline TV clip. At about 1 minute in.

Willoughby said that they didn't know how the Police would treat it. So what the Police do at this point will be interesting.

RedToothBrush · 07/03/2024 08:29

lifeturnsonadime · 07/03/2024 08:12

Don't forget that JKR is in Scotland which adds an interesting angle, to say the very least.

Oh god. Going into an election too. The SNP will LOVE that!

Oh my.

Having the police put in this position is brilliant too. Fabulous.

Lots of potential embarrassment all round.

And even if JKR loses she still effectively wins by exposing how fucked up this is and how much abuse women have to deal with.

Does IW's realise this?

Or how long do we think we will get a reverse ferret with the point about JKR being protected / privileged etc etc?

I'm hoping that IW ego wins through. But the previous post about IW backtracking and virtue signalling when it goes badly on twitter, suggests to me it will all be over in a couple of days.

Will that count as wasting police time?

Oh dear. What a mess IW has created.

I want IW to push it tbh. It has the best outcomes.

NonPlayerCharacter · 07/03/2024 08:37

I'm starting to think that Willoughby doesn't actually believe anything Willoughby says and doesn't care what the outcome is as long as it results in lots of attention for Willoughby. Plenty of people won't have heard of Willoughby before this. It doesn't matter what happens because in what passes for Willoughby's mind, it will all be attention and proof that Willoughby is a hero, a martyr or both.

If I were trans, I think I'd be furious. Willoughby is embodying every horrible stereotype there is and inventing a few new ones. There's nothing beneath the rage, bigotry and performativeness. An absolutely tragic person.

SinnerBoy · 07/03/2024 08:44

RedToothBrush · Today 08:00

I think if IW is stupid enough to go down the Malicious Comms route I'll fall over laughing.

If them took JKR to court, I'm reasonably certain that them would end up financially, as well as already morally bankrupt.

Datun · 07/03/2024 09:01

NonPlayerCharacter · 07/03/2024 08:37

I'm starting to think that Willoughby doesn't actually believe anything Willoughby says and doesn't care what the outcome is as long as it results in lots of attention for Willoughby. Plenty of people won't have heard of Willoughby before this. It doesn't matter what happens because in what passes for Willoughby's mind, it will all be attention and proof that Willoughby is a hero, a martyr or both.

If I were trans, I think I'd be furious. Willoughby is embodying every horrible stereotype there is and inventing a few new ones. There's nothing beneath the rage, bigotry and performativeness. An absolutely tragic person.

Yes, The nastiness, the appearance of lying all the time, the obsession with JKR, not caring if they look racist, homophobic, sexist.

There's something very car crashy about the whole thing.

Plus deciding that identifying India as a male is a hate crime. They cannot be that stupid. It's not a crime.

Whenever I've seen India, there's an overwhelming element of you can't be doing this to MEEEE.

When they were talking to Posey Parker, it was all, well you can't expect ME to go in a man's prison, surely! And the behaviour on big brother, you can't possibly view ME as a male when I want to get off with you!

And now, completely ignoring their own harassment of JKR, you can't call ME a man!

Rolling identifying it as narcissism is spot on.

Willoughby's utter conviction that the surgery they've had is enough to make everyone view them sympathetically and as a female, is wrong, in my opinion.

I'm not sure if there is more to that clip where Willoughby says they've reported JK to the police, but the chap interviewing them looked the opposite of sympathetic, in my opinion. Horribly fascinated, maybe.

Willough relies on hyperbole and hubris. It might work if you can talk over people, or at them, but it's not a legal defence.

SamW98 · 07/03/2024 09:07

IW is like a caricature, a cartoon character, an actor playing a role. They’ve spent months/years goading and spitting hyperbolic venom at JKR and hating on everyone who doesn’t pander to their every delusion and whim.

They've made themself infamous to fuel their ego. Had anyone heard of this newsreader before they adopted the twisted persona of India?

IW may believe they’re a woman but literally every word and action screams privileged narcissistic male entitlement. Their passport might say F but everything about their whole being is M personified.

I 💜JKR

Helleofabore · 07/03/2024 09:14

And yet, posters on this very thread have tried to defend the abusiveness that is Willoughby.

And vilified a woman for calling their abuser ‘he’ correctly. I suspect that there really are some posters who are more invested in scolding others than actually wanting to understand the truth of any situation.

BezMills · 07/03/2024 09:16

I suspect, sadly, that you are correct @Helleofabore

NonPlayerCharacter · 07/03/2024 09:16

And the behaviour on big brother, you can't possibly view ME as a male when I want to get off with you!

I don't think IW even actually wanted to get off with poor Ginuwine. IW wasn't showing any genuine attraction (though Ginuwine is a good looking man) or connection. The whole conversation was essentially "You date women and I am a woman so you'd date me, right? Right? You'd date me because otherwise you're you're a bigot, right??"

It was just an attempt to exploit and use Ginuwine as a validation prop, exactly the same as IW uses women for the same person. IW wasn't drawn to Ginuwine, IW just wanted to manipulate and coerce him into validating IW by accepting that a straight man would include IW in his potential dating pool.

RedToothBrush · 07/03/2024 09:28

NonPlayerCharacter · 07/03/2024 09:16

And the behaviour on big brother, you can't possibly view ME as a male when I want to get off with you!

I don't think IW even actually wanted to get off with poor Ginuwine. IW wasn't showing any genuine attraction (though Ginuwine is a good looking man) or connection. The whole conversation was essentially "You date women and I am a woman so you'd date me, right? Right? You'd date me because otherwise you're you're a bigot, right??"

It was just an attempt to exploit and use Ginuwine as a validation prop, exactly the same as IW uses women for the same person. IW wasn't drawn to Ginuwine, IW just wanted to manipulate and coerce him into validating IW by accepting that a straight man would include IW in his potential dating pool.

What is it I say about power and control?!

RedToothBrush · 07/03/2024 09:36

NonPlayerCharacter · 07/03/2024 08:37

I'm starting to think that Willoughby doesn't actually believe anything Willoughby says and doesn't care what the outcome is as long as it results in lots of attention for Willoughby. Plenty of people won't have heard of Willoughby before this. It doesn't matter what happens because in what passes for Willoughby's mind, it will all be attention and proof that Willoughby is a hero, a martyr or both.

If I were trans, I think I'd be furious. Willoughby is embodying every horrible stereotype there is and inventing a few new ones. There's nothing beneath the rage, bigotry and performativeness. An absolutely tragic person.

I have zero sympathy with Trans Activists who are now upset about IWs behaviour.

The argument feminists have made has been we need to account for and legislate cases where trans activists act appallingly if we are talking about equality. Because being trans does not stop appalling behaviour.

The argument feminists make is that putting trans people on a pedestal with enhanced rights at the expense of women allows abuse of the system by narcissistic males however they identify and this is harmful.

But we've been met by a wall of 'But that wouldn't happen. My mate is the most placid and nicest person you could ever hope to meet' which is an over privileged brain dead response which is blind to the reality of the world where not everyone is nice.

lechiffre55 · 07/03/2024 09:36

I love JKR :)
I'm a little over excited at this. All sorts of things are popping into my head from all directions e.g. legal discovery if it got to lawsuits.

There's no doubt JKR has the financial clout, public profile, and lawyers to make this a giant problem for anyone coming for her. She may even be able to turn it right around on IW e.g. a restraining order for harassment.
I suspect that JKR has "helped" women going through "the process is the punishment" ordeals who have taken their treatment to tribunals and won many times. If JKR has helped in those instances she will already have quite a bit of contact with the lawyers who got those victories. She won't need to find lawyers who are specialists in this field, she already has prior contact with them.
I doubt any politician or police want this and the resulting publicity, it looks like a radioactive hot potato to me.

While I'd love to see them try it on with JKR because she won't back down when she believes in something, it's tinged with sadness for me. Why must one woman bear so much of the cost of standing up for women's rights? JKR is a genuine hero, but her trials have always been put on her plate by a man. That JKR believes so strongly in women's rights must be in part if not all due to her mistreatment by a man. And after all she's been through with grace and dignity abusive men still come at her. She's earned a fukking break from entitled males, and lunatics, it's time for it to stop.

JKR is a nemesis to abusive men born out of thier own creation. They have only themselves to blame.

There is an old Chinese curse - may you live in interesting times. I hope IW's life gets a lot more interesting in all sorts of unexpected and complicated ways that have an unwanted and lasting impact, and I can't wait for the schadenfreude reading all about it. The same for every other man stupid enough to go up against this wonderful compassionate woman who clearly won't wheesht.

I hope JKR does put up a legal crowdfunder if it became appropriate. I know she doesn't need it, but I think people would make a staggering number of small donations just to be able to leave a message of support for JKR that would shock all the right people. They'd get a clear demonstration of just how many people support JKR and not the lunacy of gender woowoo.

NonPlayerCharacter · 07/03/2024 09:41

If IW were a woman, this deranged, long term behaviour would be laughed out of the room. It would be dismissed everywhere as crazy, demented and hysterical (because it is) and blamed on menopause and hormones. Literally the only reason anyone takes it remotely seriously is because they know IW isn't a woman. I'm not sure if it's a catch-22, an irony or something else, I just know it's fucked up.

RoyalCorgi · 07/03/2024 09:45

If them took JKR to court, I'm reasonably certain that them would end up financially, as well as already morally bankrupt.

I think it's unlikely the police will pursue India's complaint. For a start, they'd have to take India's complaint seriously, and refer it to the CPS, who would then have to decide to prosecute JKR for malicious communications.

People will recall that in 2020, Kate Scottow was successfully prosecuted for malicious communication against Steph Hayden when Scottow called Hayden a "pig in a wig" among other things. However, Scottow later won her appeal, because the appeal judges recognised that we live in a free country and you have the right to dish out mild insults on Twitter.

The CPS would be very foolish to ignore that judgement. However, if they were that foolish, and decided to prosecute, then JKR would hire the best lawyer in the land and make absolute mincemeat of India in court. All you'd have to do is dig up India's own history of extremely misogynistic, malicious and bullying tweets and show that JKR's "crime" of misgendering pales into insignificance. Indeed, the case would probably demonstrate that misgendering isn't actually a crime, and do all of us a favour.

Or, more likely, the CPS will refuse to prosecute, also demonstrating that misgendering isn't a crime. Either way we win.

I see now that JKR was astute enough to have recognised this all along. As someone said on another thread, she thinks seven moves ahead of the opposition.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2024 09:51

The CPS would be very foolish to ignore that judgement. However, if they were that foolish, and decided to prosecute, then JKR would hire the best lawyer in the land and make absolute mincemeat of India in court. All you'd have to do is dig up India's own history of extremely misogynistic, malicious and bullying tweets and show that JKR's "crime" of misgendering pales into insignificance. Indeed, the case would probably demonstrate that misgendering isn't actually a crime, and do all of us a favour.

Or, more likely, the CPS will refuse to prosecute, also demonstrating that misgendering isn't a crime. Either way we win.

I see now that JKR was astute enough to have recognised this all along. As someone said on another thread, she thinks seven moves ahead of the opposition.

YY. All this.

RedToothBrush · 07/03/2024 09:51

RoyalCorgi · 07/03/2024 09:45

If them took JKR to court, I'm reasonably certain that them would end up financially, as well as already morally bankrupt.

I think it's unlikely the police will pursue India's complaint. For a start, they'd have to take India's complaint seriously, and refer it to the CPS, who would then have to decide to prosecute JKR for malicious communications.

People will recall that in 2020, Kate Scottow was successfully prosecuted for malicious communication against Steph Hayden when Scottow called Hayden a "pig in a wig" among other things. However, Scottow later won her appeal, because the appeal judges recognised that we live in a free country and you have the right to dish out mild insults on Twitter.

The CPS would be very foolish to ignore that judgement. However, if they were that foolish, and decided to prosecute, then JKR would hire the best lawyer in the land and make absolute mincemeat of India in court. All you'd have to do is dig up India's own history of extremely misogynistic, malicious and bullying tweets and show that JKR's "crime" of misgendering pales into insignificance. Indeed, the case would probably demonstrate that misgendering isn't actually a crime, and do all of us a favour.

Or, more likely, the CPS will refuse to prosecute, also demonstrating that misgendering isn't a crime. Either way we win.

I see now that JKR was astute enough to have recognised this all along. As someone said on another thread, she thinks seven moves ahead of the opposition.

I'm trying to think of a scenario where JKR ultimately doesn't win the point she's trying to make.

On the other hand, I also can't think of a scenario where IW doesn't get to claim victory or wail that IW is a victim and the most vulnerable in society in some way.

Thus I do think this could get interesting.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2024 09:54

I'm starting to think that Willoughby doesn't actually believe anything Willoughby says and doesn't care what the outcome is as long as it results in lots of attention for Willoughby. Plenty of people won't have heard of Willoughby before this. It doesn't matter what happens because in what passes for Willoughby's mind, it will all be attention and proof that Willoughby is a hero, a martyr or both.

All attention is attention. I see this as a typical trans activist signature move. People like Willoughby don't care if it damages the "movement" either, because it's about them and their personal interests, not collective progress.

Chersfrozenface · 07/03/2024 09:57

People like Willoughby don't care if it damages the "movement" either, because it's about them and their personal interests, not collective progress.

Yeah, not much of a "community", really

BezMills · 07/03/2024 10:06

I feel like 'being 6 moves ahead of IW' is a low bar. I am looking forward to the next days and weeks. I think we may well look back and call it the FuckedAroundAndFoundOutening of IW.

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MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 07/03/2024 10:12

It seems to me that JKR is calling Willoughby’s bluff here. “My lawyers advised me” = I have the best legal advice money can buy so put up or shut up.

if I was a friend of Willoughby I would be advising to find my own legal advice (a proper solicitor, not ‘my mate from down the pub’) for a hard dose of reality. It’s really not going to end up well given Willoughby has left a helpful trail of posts on social media.

SabrinaThwaite · 07/03/2024 10:12

The full Byline TV video is proving to be a peach.

IW JK Rowling has been radicalised … she needs an intervention.

Interviewer So do you think that any of women’s concerns have been valid in the last 10 years about the trans debate, any of them?

IW I can’t think of any, no.

And towards the end a nice little reference to Nazi collaborators in the form
of ‘Vichy Gays’.

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