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BBC News does not inform readers cat killer and murderer Scarlett Blake is transgender in this article. I intend to complain to ofcom. These are not our crimes.

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Heylo · 26/02/2024 15:13

Has anyone seen this recent article on the transgender (trans woman) Scarlett Blake who was sentenced to 24 years today for murdering a man. Blake also killed a cat. Pls see this recent article from bbc news. BBC news puts nowhere in article that Blake is transgender. Uses pronouns ‘she’ and refers to Blake as a woman.

bbc article here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68401335

These are not our crimes. I am reporting the omission of the fact Blake is transgender to Ofcom. I wonder if anyone is thinking the same (about reporting to ofcom, here is the link: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/complaints )

Make a complaint

Ofcom may be able to help you complain about phone, broadband and postal services, TV, radio and on-demand programmes, interference to wireless devices, or something you have seen on a video-sharing platform.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/complaints

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SanctuaryCity · 26/02/2024 19:48

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/02/2024 19:45

X post with @SanctuaryCity

The only comparable one I can think of is Joanna Dennehy but that was over 10 years ago and proves how exceptionally rare it is for a woman to be perpetrator rather than accomplice.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/02/2024 19:49

They may be yours. If you want to claim them, go ahead. But they're not mine .

It's not that we 'claim' them.Hmm It's that these names are trotted out by the tedious 'but women do it too' crowd. And now there are people reading misleading reports and adding this man to the crimes of women.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 26/02/2024 19:51

I think if we had an analysis (which may well exist, I just don't have one) we'd find that murders committed by women would include:

  • women killing a partner after a long period of domestic violence and/or coercive control
  • women killing one or more of their children
  • women acting in conjunction with a man

I don't think we'd find many cases of women overpowering and murdering complete strangers in the street. There may be women who would like to do this kind of thing, but in most cases their physical strength wouldn't be as great as that of a potential victim.

How many men walking home along late at night would feel fearful if a lone woman was walking behind them? Next to 0, I would imagine.

AllieDeCorbeau · 26/02/2024 19:52

AllGrownUp1465 · 26/02/2024 15:19

I mean, there are bigger things to worry about and they’ve already changed it. Seems like a non-issue 😵‍💫

It's not a "non-issue."
Do you understand that when the conversation arises about resources for incarcerated individuals, that the statistics around the relative non-violence of remake inmates compared to male ones is a big factor in there distribution of resources?
Determining rates of successful rehabilitation, assessment of needs, and finding patterns that may indicate deeper societal problems all rely on the accurate recording of sex.

SanctuaryCity · 26/02/2024 19:53

Thehigheroffer · 26/02/2024 19:46

Well it's no consolation to the families of someone murdered by a woman is it regarding whether it was a random encounter or not. Murder is just evil regardless of who does it

So you’re changing tack now. Moved onto claiming it doesn’t really matter. It does matter - this is not a woman’s crime - it’s a male crime committed by a male with a male accomplice cheering on from the US.

What this crime does is show that males don’t change offending patterns just be changing gender. Which backs up the argument that being a women is not something males can identify into.

Rightsraptor · 26/02/2024 19:59

Oh FFS, @Thehigheroffer, I wasn't talking about your common or garden murder(er). Nobody here is.

We are talking about ones like this man (I here disclose I haven't followed in great detail) who seems to have roamed the streets looking for a likely victim, and then persuaded the one he found to go somewhere deserted with him. Then he overpowered his victim and killed him. And returned to the scene of his crime and took photos, I believe.

And wasn't all this perhaps to gain access to some polyamory group? Women really don't have to kill to gain access to such stuff. If they actually want to do it, of course. Which is, again, a bit of a male thing.

Can you tell me of any women who have done this, @Thehigheroffer? I mean this level of grotesqueness & depravity specifically.

How many women do what he did to a cat? Seemingly a minor point in the context, but cruelty to animals does tend to go with cruelty to humans.

jm9138 · 26/02/2024 20:00

I think the OP has a good point but it is poorly made. By saying ‘not our crimes’ it implies that the crimes of an individual are the responsibility of or ‘owned by’ people who share a characteristic with that individual.

Boiledbeetle · 26/02/2024 20:05

"I'm so sick of this shit. This is not a woman. These are #NotOurCrimes"

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1762187612352020860?s=19

BBC News does not inform readers cat killer and murderer Scarlett Blake is transgender in this article. I intend to complain to ofcom. These are not our crimes.
OnLockdown · 26/02/2024 20:07

The Mirror's article has got no mention of him being a man/ transwoman.

catduckgoose · 26/02/2024 20:09

Talk TV gets it right in this article, rare for a mainstream news source. It's the only one so far that I've seen with an accurate description of what happened. The BBC should take note.

A warning: please don't click the link below, or at least don't scroll past the first few paragraphs, if you don't want to read the horrible details, as the article also goes into this more than other outlets.

https://talk.tv/top-stories/51105/breaking-transgender-cat-killer-scarlet-blake-jailed-for-life-jorge-martin-carreno

A cat-killer obsessed with violence and death has been jailed for life and told to serve a minimum of 24 years after being convicted of murdering a man he deliberately targeted as part of a warped sexual fantasy inspired by a Netflix documentary.

Scarlet Blake, 26, singled out Jorge Martin Carreno, 30, as he walked home from a night out in Oxford in July 2021, before brutally attacking him.

Leading him to a secluded riverbank, Blake hit him on the back of the head with a vodka bottle, strangled him, then pushed into the River Cherwell where he drowned.

Prosecutors said Blake, who was born a man but identifies as a woman, killed Mr Martin Carreno because he had a "fixation with violence and with knowing what it would be like to kill someone".

...

Transgender cat killer Scarlet Blake jailed for life for murdering Jorge Martin Carreno | TalkTV

A cat-killer obsessed with violence and death has been jailed for life and told to serve a minimum of 24 years after being convicted of murdering a man he

https://talk.tv/top-stories/51105/breaking-transgender-cat-killer-scarlet-blake-jailed-for-life-jorge-martin-carreno

Ifulikepinacoladas · 26/02/2024 20:11

Rightsraptor · 26/02/2024 15:27

And there they are, the naysayers - right on cue.

Yes it does fucking matter @AllGrownUp1465. These hideous acts are being recorded as having been committed by a woman when they were committed by a man and are typically male crimes. Women seldom commit crimes anything like these.

Our history is being altered by these wretches. Our future is being compromised by these devils.

Don't tell me it doesn't matter.

Hear bloody hear!

Farmageddon · 26/02/2024 20:13

jm9138 · 26/02/2024 20:00

I think the OP has a good point but it is poorly made. By saying ‘not our crimes’ it implies that the crimes of an individual are the responsibility of or ‘owned by’ people who share a characteristic with that individual.

I disagree. I as a woman don't take responsibility for crimes committed by other women. But the fact that it is being reported as a woman killer does make a difference as far as I'm concerned.

Firstly because it's factually incorrect, but also because it leads to a false assumptions that female violent crimes like this are on the increase.

'Not our crimes' is simply a slogan used to highlight this bullshit.

Ifulikepinacoladas · 26/02/2024 20:16

SydneyCarton · 26/02/2024 16:26

What struck me as particularly abhorrent was that Jorge Carreno’s brothers were forced to refer to Blake as “her” and “she”
in their impact statement.

That is really, really terrible. How dare they (authorities/judicial system) add to the families trauma and upset by forcing them to pander to this absolute bullshit.

Chersfrozenface · 26/02/2024 20:19

catduckgoose · 26/02/2024 20:09

Talk TV gets it right in this article, rare for a mainstream news source. It's the only one so far that I've seen with an accurate description of what happened. The BBC should take note.

A warning: please don't click the link below, or at least don't scroll past the first few paragraphs, if you don't want to read the horrible details, as the article also goes into this more than other outlets.

https://talk.tv/top-stories/51105/breaking-transgender-cat-killer-scarlet-blake-jailed-for-life-jorge-martin-carreno

A cat-killer obsessed with violence and death has been jailed for life and told to serve a minimum of 24 years after being convicted of murdering a man he deliberately targeted as part of a warped sexual fantasy inspired by a Netflix documentary.

Scarlet Blake, 26, singled out Jorge Martin Carreno, 30, as he walked home from a night out in Oxford in July 2021, before brutally attacking him.

Leading him to a secluded riverbank, Blake hit him on the back of the head with a vodka bottle, strangled him, then pushed into the River Cherwell where he drowned.

Prosecutors said Blake, who was born a man but identifies as a woman, killed Mr Martin Carreno because he had a "fixation with violence and with knowing what it would be like to kill someone".

...

Oh, that'll be dismissed and derided as "a far right mouthpiece" and we'll be labelled fascists for even mentioning it.

You watch.

Ariana12 · 26/02/2024 20:22

Heylo · 26/02/2024 15:13

Has anyone seen this recent article on the transgender (trans woman) Scarlett Blake who was sentenced to 24 years today for murdering a man. Blake also killed a cat. Pls see this recent article from bbc news. BBC news puts nowhere in article that Blake is transgender. Uses pronouns ‘she’ and refers to Blake as a woman.

bbc article here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68401335

These are not our crimes. I am reporting the omission of the fact Blake is transgender to Ofcom. I wonder if anyone is thinking the same (about reporting to ofcom, here is the link: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/complaints )

Hi. Thanks for highlighting. Might be worth complaining to the BBC first?

OldCrone · 26/02/2024 20:24

Thehigheroffer · 26/02/2024 19:06

'Women don't commit crimes like that' So you've never heard of Myra Hindley, Beverly Allitt, Lucy Letby, the various female guards at Nazi concentration camps et al

Myra Hindley, Beverley Allitt and Lucy Letby all killed children. This was the murder of a man. Women hardly ever commit crimes like that.

maeveiscurious · 26/02/2024 20:27

jm9138 · 26/02/2024 20:00

I think the OP has a good point but it is poorly made. By saying ‘not our crimes’ it implies that the crimes of an individual are the responsibility of or ‘owned by’ people who share a characteristic with that individual.

These reports imply women are becoming more violent and well perverted

This is not the case

Heylo · 26/02/2024 20:28

Balhammom · 26/02/2024 18:12

Curious if OP also takes the same approach with ethnic minorities or perhaps the disabled. If they commit crimes, does she also require a disclaimer because they’re not “her” crimes?

I couldn’t care less if someone I’ve never met is the same gender as me or not. Utterly immaterial.

There are many fair arguments and issues around trans, but this is just weird bigotry.

I’d like to respond to this. This is hugely concerning. Data is being skewed. There are a number of bad outcomes to this for women and society in general. Yes I will say these are not at crimes specifically for AMAB who now ‘identify’ as women. Why? Because 99% of men commit sexual violence and 53% of ‘transwomen’ prisoners have sexual offences on their record. Compared to 20% of gen male population.

recent headlines I’ve seen:
‘woman’ rapes toddler (trans woman)
‘two women sexually assualt boy in park’ (‘women’ described as 6 ft 3. I think we all know these are trans women).

trans women require a third space in terms of their crimes. I’m not going to write off hundreds of years worth of evidence to make men feel comfortable about their identity. Sorry, women are waking up!

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BackToLurk · 26/02/2024 20:34

OldCrone · 26/02/2024 20:24

Myra Hindley, Beverley Allitt and Lucy Letby all killed children. This was the murder of a man. Women hardly ever commit crimes like that.

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They are also easy to name precisely because they are unusual

BodensFinger · 26/02/2024 20:38

Just pondering what sort of person you’d have to be to defend a sadistic murderers gender identity over the feelings of the poor man’s family.

Kassalah · 26/02/2024 20:38

Omg. I had no idea. Thanks for sharing OP.

Apollo441 · 26/02/2024 20:38

Balhammom · 26/02/2024 18:12

Curious if OP also takes the same approach with ethnic minorities or perhaps the disabled. If they commit crimes, does she also require a disclaimer because they’re not “her” crimes?

I couldn’t care less if someone I’ve never met is the same gender as me or not. Utterly immaterial.

There are many fair arguments and issues around trans, but this is just weird bigotry.

Their gender is irrelevant. Their sex is relevant to crime statistics and analysis and it is not bigoty to point this out.
So fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

OldCrone · 26/02/2024 20:39

Thehigheroffer · 26/02/2024 19:37

According to 2020 figures, in England and Wales, 93% of murderers are male and 7% female. While the overwhelming majority are of course men it hardly indicates that murders by women are rare

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Have a look at this.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/appendixtableshomicideinenglandandwales

Look at the figures for non-domestic homicides in Table 34. In the year ending March 2023, 245 men were killed by other men, and only 4 men were killed by women. This murder fits in that category. It is very rare.

Appendix tables: homicide in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Findings from the analyses based on the Homicide Index recorded by the Home Office, including long-term trends, sex of the victim, apparent method of killing and relationship to victim.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/appendixtableshomicideinenglandandwales

SweetcornFritter · 26/02/2024 20:39

Thehigheroffer · 26/02/2024 19:06

'Women don't commit crimes like that' So you've never heard of Myra Hindley, Beverly Allitt, Lucy Letby, the various female guards at Nazi concentration camps et al

She said “women SELDOM commit crimes like that” which is correct. Men, on the other hand commit the vast majority of murders, especially those with a sexual component.

Winter2020 · 26/02/2024 20:58

Balhammom · 26/02/2024 18:12

Curious if OP also takes the same approach with ethnic minorities or perhaps the disabled. If they commit crimes, does she also require a disclaimer because they’re not “her” crimes?

I couldn’t care less if someone I’ve never met is the same gender as me or not. Utterly immaterial.

There are many fair arguments and issues around trans, but this is just weird bigotry.

So if someone obscured their racial identity and identified as "black" and performed a horrific murder. If they stood in the dock a white man identifying as black - and all the judge, jury/press knew that they were white from the evidence given in court- you would be happy for the press to say "Black man murders ......"

The killer was a man - not a woman - however he chose to dress and whatever his preferred pronouns and that matters.

Equally if the person "identified as disabled" and went about presenting as disabled when they were not - and that was a known fact then the press should not report "Disabled man kills....." Someone that chooses to present as something but is not ...is not.

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