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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC News does not inform readers cat killer and murderer Scarlett Blake is transgender in this article. I intend to complain to ofcom. These are not our crimes.

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Heylo · 26/02/2024 15:13

Has anyone seen this recent article on the transgender (trans woman) Scarlett Blake who was sentenced to 24 years today for murdering a man. Blake also killed a cat. Pls see this recent article from bbc news. BBC news puts nowhere in article that Blake is transgender. Uses pronouns ‘she’ and refers to Blake as a woman.

bbc article here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68401335

These are not our crimes. I am reporting the omission of the fact Blake is transgender to Ofcom. I wonder if anyone is thinking the same (about reporting to ofcom, here is the link: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/complaints )

Make a complaint

Ofcom may be able to help you complain about phone, broadband and postal services, TV, radio and on-demand programmes, interference to wireless devices, or something you have seen on a video-sharing platform.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/complaints

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VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/02/2024 21:02

jm9138 · 26/02/2024 20:00

I think the OP has a good point but it is poorly made. By saying ‘not our crimes’ it implies that the crimes of an individual are the responsibility of or ‘owned by’ people who share a characteristic with that individual.

When I'm deciding who is safe to be around, class-based trends in offending matter a lot.

"These are not our crimes" is a way of expressing that these crimes statistically belong to the male sex class.

OnSecondThoughts · 26/02/2024 21:05

When the jury delivered their verdict, if he had said "but I identify as not guilty", would the judge have said "Oh ok, you're free to leave"? If not, why not? I mean we can't be all that far away from that day at this stage...

Heylo · 26/02/2024 21:07

Apollo441 · 26/02/2024 20:38

Their gender is irrelevant. Their sex is relevant to crime statistics and analysis and it is not bigoty to point this out.
So fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

This. Enough enough. I don’t care if you identify as anything. Crimes should be recorded according to sex. Why? Because of historical male patterned violence.

and men who invade women’s boundaries / spaces - they are the most dangerous of all.

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Supersimkin2 · 26/02/2024 21:08

Complain away. Men have always lied about who women are.

HappyintheHills · 26/02/2024 21:13

HBGKC · 26/02/2024 19:26

"Article is now clear, it includes the paragraph:

'The Ministry of Justice said Blake, who is transgender, would serve the sentence in a men's prison.'"

I disagree, @HappyintheHills; the article is still not clear. It uses female pronouns from beginning to end, and the line you quote could easily be (mis)interpreted as meaning that Blake was born female and had transitioned to male, hence serving their sentence in a men's prison. It's not clear at all.

Also, the line starting "Her trial heard that she had been on the streets looking for potential victims" - sounds to my ears like they were trying to shoe-horn as many 'she/her's' into the article as possible; surely 'THE trial heard...' would be the normal way to construct that sentence..?

Also the paragraph

Blake previously told the jury about an online relationship that developed with Ashlynn Bell, another trans woman, in the US.

Tupperwaremofo · 26/02/2024 21:16

I've complained to the BBC for the first time ever today. Nope, this is not one of ours. The men can keep the cat blendering psycho.

IcakethereforeIam · 26/02/2024 21:24

Has anyone got a link to the recent thread about the child abusing tw...Naomi? I think I posted a link on the thread to a story about the BBC misleading readers. Unless I'm misremembering it might be useful regarding complaint about this.

OldCrone · 26/02/2024 21:29

HappyintheHills · 26/02/2024 21:13

Also the paragraph

Blake previously told the jury about an online relationship that developed with Ashlynn Bell, another trans woman, in the US.

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It doesn't make it clear that the terms 'transwoman' and 'transgender woman' mean a man who is pretending to be a woman.

There's someone on this thread (or one of the other ones about this) who seems to think that a transwoman is a woman pretending to be a man. I imagine a lot of people are confused about the terminology.

OvaHere · 26/02/2024 21:29

Farmageddon · 26/02/2024 20:13

I disagree. I as a woman don't take responsibility for crimes committed by other women. But the fact that it is being reported as a woman killer does make a difference as far as I'm concerned.

Firstly because it's factually incorrect, but also because it leads to a false assumptions that female violent crimes like this are on the increase.

'Not our crimes' is simply a slogan used to highlight this bullshit.

On the flip side of this I tend to assume these days that women commit very few crimes.

Every time an outlet like the BBC uses words like "A woman was arrested" or "A woman was charged" my default assumption now is they are lying to me and it's actually a man.

soupycustard · 26/02/2024 21:33

I've complained to BBC.
To add insult to injury, I've seen some handwringing online about 'why women are becoming so much more violent'.
SCARLET BLAKE IS A BIOLOGICAL MALE!

Thehigheroffer · 26/02/2024 21:34

OvaHere · 26/02/2024 21:29

On the flip side of this I tend to assume these days that women commit very few crimes.

Every time an outlet like the BBC uses words like "A woman was arrested" or "A woman was charged" my default assumption now is they are lying to me and it's actually a man.

Do you seriously believe that there are very few women criminals of any type???

OvaHere · 26/02/2024 21:37

Thehigheroffer · 26/02/2024 21:34

Do you seriously believe that there are very few women criminals of any type???

Clearly I was being a little sarcastic.

My point being why would I believe outlets like the BBC about any of their crime reporting now? They are proven liars.

Kalevala · 26/02/2024 21:40

OldCrone · 26/02/2024 21:29

It doesn't make it clear that the terms 'transwoman' and 'transgender woman' mean a man who is pretending to be a woman.

There's someone on this thread (or one of the other ones about this) who seems to think that a transwoman is a woman pretending to be a man. I imagine a lot of people are confused about the terminology.

I knew transwoman, but I thought transgender woman meant transman at first. There's a gap between the words so it still doesn't make sense to me, it looks like it means a type of woman.

Thehigheroffer · 26/02/2024 21:43

OvaHere · 26/02/2024 21:37

Clearly I was being a little sarcastic.

My point being why would I believe outlets like the BBC about any of their crime reporting now? They are proven liars.

If you feel like they are liars then don't read the Sun or Daily Mail. That will raise your blood pressure very high!

OvaHere · 26/02/2024 21:48

Thehigheroffer · 26/02/2024 21:43

If you feel like they are liars then don't read the Sun or Daily Mail. That will raise your blood pressure very high!

I rarely do.

The BBC however rides on their former reputation of accuracy and high standards of journalism. Most of us pay a TV licence which goes towards funding them. I expect a lot better.

cerisepanther73 · 26/02/2024 21:48

@Balhammom

Your nub of argument in relation to comparing this transgender person crime and any crimes committed by ethnic minorities about prejudices ect,

Is not a good analogue really 🤔 as it needs the clarity of difference of biological born female and transgender female person so the news media item isn't misleading and is as accurate as possible, and neutral too facts,

Makes you wonder what other news stories are not as neutral as the BBC like to make themselves out to be,
In reality BBC has often been from the start as the mouthpiece of the establishment,

Now it's been hijacked by whatever the winds of change blows hardest direction nd is most popular nowadays whatever that is,

It's integrity is in question,

its not something that should be perceived as go to for the most accurate neutral news media forces point,

You need to look at other reputable news sources too,
obviously with a bit of critical eye 👁 too,
what is this news source biased towards then?
ect

maudelovesharold · 26/02/2024 21:52

It’s like the Emperor’s New Clothes writ large…again.
We all know ‘she’s’ a male, and has committed typically male crimes, we can even see he’s a male when he’s prowling around, looking for his victim, on CCTV, fgs, but acknowledgment of this apparently makes us transphobic (no it doesn’t), and we’re not allowed to speak the truth. When we do, it’s denied. There’s a lot of this gaslighting around at the moment. I’m finding the same applies with any criticism of the Israeli government. To speak the truth about what we see is denied and is apparently anti-Semitic (no, it isn’t).

jm9138 · 26/02/2024 22:00

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/02/2024 21:02

When I'm deciding who is safe to be around, class-based trends in offending matter a lot.

"These are not our crimes" is a way of expressing that these crimes statistically belong to the male sex class.

I think it is an unfortunate expression. I think if you were to replace ‘male’ with any other characteristic you would see why even if it was statistically correct. I don’t want to derail this thread so will leave it at that.

BettyFilous · 26/02/2024 22:00

OvaHere · 26/02/2024 21:29

On the flip side of this I tend to assume these days that women commit very few crimes.

Every time an outlet like the BBC uses words like "A woman was arrested" or "A woman was charged" my default assumption now is they are lying to me and it's actually a man.

Same if it’s a typical male offence.

nutmeg7 · 26/02/2024 22:24

Thehigheroffer · 26/02/2024 19:37

According to 2020 figures, in England and Wales, 93% of murderers are male and 7% female. While the overwhelming majority are of course men it hardly indicates that murders by women are rare

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7% sounds quite rare to me. 93% is a huge majority.
Is there any point quibbling over the exact quantities that constitute ‘rare’ ‘very rare’ ‘unusual’ etc?
There is a very very clear difference between the sexes in this regard. It’s not a slight difference, it is huge.

BinkyBeaufort · 26/02/2024 22:37

Watching BBC 10 o'clock news just now it was only when they reported that this monster was being sent to a make prison that I thought eyup that's odd.
Referred to throughout as a woman and HE ISN'T. Throw away comment at the end about transgender woman. Even that is still using our pronoun to describe a male.
I'm so angry that women are being tarred with the brush of male violence.
A complaint will be made ....

FrancescaContini · 26/02/2024 22:38

maudelovesharold · 26/02/2024 21:52

It’s like the Emperor’s New Clothes writ large…again.
We all know ‘she’s’ a male, and has committed typically male crimes, we can even see he’s a male when he’s prowling around, looking for his victim, on CCTV, fgs, but acknowledgment of this apparently makes us transphobic (no it doesn’t), and we’re not allowed to speak the truth. When we do, it’s denied. There’s a lot of this gaslighting around at the moment. I’m finding the same applies with any criticism of the Israeli government. To speak the truth about what we see is denied and is apparently anti-Semitic (no, it isn’t).

Agree with you on all points here, Maude.

thebestinterest · 26/02/2024 22:40

Op why does her gender / assigned sex at birth matter here?

OnSecondThoughts · 26/02/2024 22:43

His gender / "assined sex at birth" is the gender / sex that HE IS. That's why it matters.
It's HIS mental illness fantasy about what sex he imagines himself to be - that's the bit that has no relevance. Thank you.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/02/2024 22:44

thebestinterest · 26/02/2024 22:40

Op why does her gender / assigned sex at birth matter here?

His sex matters as this is a crime attributed to women when that's not true. There's little enough confidence in the media these days so when they openly lie and say a woman has committed these crimes, it matters.