Joe Lycett

[theDudesmummy]

I had never heard of this guy before today (I am not a fan of stand up comedy) but I do listen to the political podcast The Newsagents, and they had him on as a guest. He sounded like a sensible person until he suddenly started talking complete faux-naïve bollocks about the trans issue. Something about how how boring it would be if everyone in society was expected to be the same, or some such stuff, and therefore anyone who opposes trans rights is being "boring" as well as wrong. Anyone else hear that? Is this guy in general a TRA or just stupid?

He’s certainly not stupid. He does like to wind people up, it’s very much part of his stand up routine and he’ll do things on Twitter for a reaction too. It’s just who he is eg legally changing his name to Hugo Boss for a while so he could troll the Hugo Boss company.

He’s quite open about being pansexual so I’m sure he has his own thoughts on gender ideology but he has never been staunch one way or the other as far as I know. I’m sure if he has been others will be along to say different.

So perhaps he’s saying what he feels in the interview you heard or perhaps he’s saying it to get a reaction. He does enjoy the reaction.

Stupid because he has a different opinion to you? Why don’t you just Google him to see what he’s about?

He’s very very switched on actually. I listened to the podcast earlier and whilst I don’t agree with his political opinions, I fully respect what he does. He’s openly pansexual and pro LGBT, hence his comments.

Well that makes sense, maybe just looking for reactions then. I just thought he sounded really silly pretending that the trans "debate" is all about people not liking other people who are different from them. Unless he genuinely thought that, which, if he is not stupid, he can't.

He used to be the non-expert presenter on The Great British Sewing Bee. He was OK, but I didn't greatly warm to him. I have the impression he probably thinks he knows better than boring old mums and dads, who are just trying to force everyone into the straitjacket of gender. If I'm right about that, he's wrong. Very wrong. I don't get the impression, though, that he's open to reasoned discussion on this. In the current climate he'd have a lot to lose.

I didn't ask if he was stupid because of having a different opinion to me. I meant that portraying the trans issue in such simplistic terms made it sound like he didn't understand the issues. I gather from what has been said that he certainly does understand. Interesting.

It wasn't to troll Hugo Boss. He was making a point because Hugo Boss was threatening small companies with the word "boss" in their name with legal action.

I like a lot of what he does and mostly find him funny (his book, Parsnips Buttered has often had me properly laughing out loud while I suffer through a run) but I find some of his politics play to his preferred audience. I'd imagine they are sincerely held, he seems to be very open about his thinking. I agree he seems to feel he needs to oppose all the "straight olds" but he also has a way of making his big political points well.

I like him and find his humour funny. He's clever and I like the gumtree scam, a lot! But his views on trans I don't agree with at all.

He is clearly intelligent. However, over a period of many years dipping in and out of Twitter, what I've seen a lot of is people who are generally quite intelligent and make an effort to be well-informed and to think critically utterly failing to look at the substance of the arguments from gender critical people. They seem to have fallen hook, line and sinker for the idea that GC people are all right-wing, socially conservative and often evangelical Christians or members of other fundamentalist religious grops. And if we're not those things, we must just be hidebound traditionalists who can't cope with change because we are old. We've all been duped. Lifelong feminists, trade unionists, Communists, lesbians, gay activists, militant atheists - on this one issue we've all been suckered. It's very odd. It's social death in some circles not to toe the Stonewall line on these issues.

I really like Joe Lycett and think he's very clever and pretty funny - I wouldn't like to get on his wrong side though. He does proper risky satire and undercuts authority imo. I feel pretty certain I know where he sits on this issue but he's not one to shout slogans.

I think he's very smart, very switched on and I like a lot of his comedy. I really enjoyed the Travel Man series he did when he took over from Richard Ayoade.

I always raise an eyebrow at him defining as Pansexual as from what I can see he is almost exclusively into guys - he flirts outrageously with men but the energy with women is virtually non existent. I'm only going by what I see on TV but his humour is quite camp and Carry On- ish. No problem with that if you like a certain amount of oo-err missus type innuendo.

I sigh inwardly at Gay men getting behind the trans bandwagon because it generally affects them not one jot.
A/ they're Men and
B/ Trans Men are just not accepted into male spaces

So it's very easy to go Yay Trans! when your day to day isn't changed in any meaningful way.

'Pansexual' eh?

I wouldn't let him anywhere near my kitchen.

he's just a feistier version of Duncan norvelle, but not as funny, or as smart as he thinks he is (one for the teenagers there)

If a lot intelligent people feel differently to you I'm surprised that you haven' considered the possibility that you're wrong.

Chase me!

@Betweenthe2 wrong about what, could you clarify?

Do please explain what I've got wrong.

I took dd to see him live (dd was 18 at the time and thinks she’s trans), I found a few parts of his show funny but it was all about LGBTQ+ stuff which got a bit boring after a while. Some of his stuff is funny but I find him pretty annoying.

He is witty, acerbic and bright. I don't agree with his gender politics but he's still worth listening to. Gives politicians a run for their money and that's never bad.

@Betweenthe2 a lot of intelligent people are religious and I as an atheist am in a world minority, but I am not going to suddenly start believing in a religion because of that.

I mostly enjoy his stuff but some of his stunts backfire, like the David Beckham one. I thought he didn’t come across well then. I do get a bit of a misogynist vibe also tbh.

I find comedians slagging off Ricky Gervais quite tedious. James Acaster and Nish Kumar have done similar.

the idea that Nish "funny as a fire in an orphanage" Kumar thinks he is in a position to slag off anyone is the funniest thing about him, by a country mile. Twat.

He's the guy that said he would shred £10k if David Beckham became ambassador for the 2022 Fifa World Cup in Qatar.

But then he went back on it and just shredded paper 😕