UK’s first trans and non-binary domestic violence refuge opens

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UK’s first trans and non-binary domestic violence refuge opens

https://twitter.com/Cavakaggy/status/1761028246559129613

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/02/22/domestic-violence-refuge-trans-uk/

Congratulations to the UK's first trans and non binary domestic violence refuge. I hope you get all the support both political and financial possible. This TERF is incredibly supportive that the trans and non binary community has built a space of their own to support their own community. If it has a fundraiser I hope JKR donates with her usual generosity. I welcome this development and give my best wishes for long term success and hope you serve your community with pride and unanimous appreciation for all the hard work. This is important work and everyone contributing deserves praise and recognition.

Really great news!
and let’s be optimistic that people using that service will be mutually supportive. I’m not looking for any negatives here, I think it’s all good.

That’s great news!

Yeah I see it as an everyone wins situation. I hope the service gets a lot of support.

Great news, I'm pleased they have managed to set this up although sorry it's needed.

I am concerned that with only one shelter it's location will quickly become known. And as it is open to more then it will be less obvious if someone is there who should not be/in bad faith. In a standard women's shelter, for example, no men can get in so it's obvious one trying to is bad news. With wider intake I imagine it will be harder to police. I hope I'm wrong.

In a standard women's shelter, for example, no men can get in so it's obvious one trying to is bad news.

Unfortunately this isn't the case for many women's shelters that in reality are mixed sex.

Having a dedicated shelter for trans people takes the pressure off women's charities to accommodate and support trans identified males.

Sorry IamSarah, I meant back when the world was saner and claiming something was single sex meant it was single sex.

Edit: typo

Everyone here is so positive about it and I wish I could share the enthusiasm but I might be to cynical.

A lot of efforts for and by transpeople have turned into a shit show quite fast. No interest, bad financial management, abuse,...

I hope it works out for them I do.

But I'll reserve my enthusiasm for in two years if it still exists and there are no issues with young girls pretending to be men that got harassed or assaulted by the men pretending to be women

How can anyone prove that they are non-binary? It seems to me that anybody can just declare this and get into the facilities put aside for such people.

Well currently any male can claim to be a woman and get into a women's facility with women who need to be safe from men.

So as far as I'm concerned, this is an improvement - everyone going there knows it's mixed and chooses to go there, is better than women being told a place is single sex then it isn't, and those women having no where else.

Well yes. That's kind of the flaw in segregating by gender identity. But if that's what people want then they should have it, whilst leaving single sex facilities to the appropriate sex.

Compare and contrast the supportive reaction to this welcome specialised service for trans and non binary people by posters here to the reaction by trans people, TRAs and their allies to the opening of Biera's Place a specialised female only service.

Illuminating.

Everyone here is so positive about it and I wish I could share the enthusiasm but I might be to cynical

Im not sure I’m enthusiastic about it, more that I wish them well and hope this is the start of more to come. A place for trans identifying people which offers them a safe space and which is tailored to their needs seems like a good thing, and hopefully this approach will mean that women’s services can go back to being female only spaces as they were intended to be. Time will tell - it would be a real shame if progress for women wasn’t made here.

But that's what non binary and trans is. Someone who says they are. That's it. That's all. There is no gatekeeping. That's been the whole problem for women's single sex provision.

Well every space at any refuge helps cope that little bit better with the huge over demand. It can also have a knock on effect for other refuges that service other needs e.g. females. The selective nature of being trans and non binary implies that other selective services e.g. female only are equally as compliant with the Equality act.
It offers choice to the people who need it most. The ability to choose the refuge where a person will feel the most comfortable at a deeply traumatic time.
All of the above assumes that the purpose of a refuge is to offer a safe space to recover, heal, and rebuilt a life to victims of violence/sexual violence/abuse.

I would suggest that any non female who demands entry to a female only refuge has a different purpose that is not covered by the above assumption. That the purpose in this case would be meeting of certain needs and desires that a refuge is not designed to cater to. Needs that share more in common with the abusers than the abused.

I doubt many if any females will nailing rats to the doors of this refuge, protesting, getting abusive, intimidating etc...... That's typically male behaviour not female.

Muslim women are women and not excluded from women’s spaces

TW are men and don’t belong in women’s single sex spaces

to equate Muslim women with men is so fucking offensive

I am sure no one here would argue that because there are specialist support services for Muslim woman, Muslim women should be excluded from women's spaces in general.

Can you clarify what you mean by this @DadJoke ?

So you'll let female people have female only spaces without moaning at them? As their alternative to mixed sex provision?

Great. Thanks. End of issue.

And no. Muslim women, black women, disabled women, are all women. Males with TQ+ identities are men.

I am sure no one here would argue that because there are specialist support services for Muslim woman, Muslim women should be excluded from women's spaces in general.
Muslim women aren't women in your world? No surprise there then.
One of the most offensive things you've said in at least the last half hour.

DadJoke only considers males who say they are women as women and they are the only ones who matter, so no surprise that Muslim women are not seen as women in his eyes.

Said poster frequently sneaks in accusations of homophobia and racism against posters on this board and then does a very swift reverse ferret claiming he didn't mean that - make no mistake he does mean it.

It is blatantly obvious the complete and utter revulsion and contempt DadJoke holds for adult female humans (who are the only ones who are women) whatever their class, race, ethnicity or sexuality.

As far as DadJoke is concerned the only purpose for the adult female humans and the juvenile female humans of this planet is to service the adult male humans and juvenile male humans in all respects.

Also massive lack of Muslim women sexually harassing, using, assaulting women, behaving inappropriately, fetishising women, making services inaccessible and unusable for women, being hugely over represented in prison as sex offenders..... nor do they as a group tend to mean that their inclusion means other women's subordination and exclusion. While being ageist, racist, homophobic, misogynist, and insisting that the women they've excluded and left without services don't matter. In fact no group of women behaves like this.

That would be an exclusively male thing.

The TQ+ lobby need to wake up to the fact that when they walk into a service and take it over, that service then becomes no longer any bloody good for its original purpose. And they have done this so often, with so much vigor and so little fucks about the mess they've caused, that it's now established that this does not work. It is not women's fault that one service cannot successfully meet the needs of all women and TQ+ males.

A report from the Domestic Abuse Commissioner found that 68 per cent of LGBT+ survivors prefer a by-and-for specialist service, while 91 per cent of trans people agreed*
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I genuinely don't understand the relevance of LGB in the report. Not being facetious.

There's the elephant!

No. Come on. Nobody turns up at a refuge lightly. I can well imagine refusal to accept a target gender being bound up with abuse in a particularly painful way that perhaps only trans people could really understand, and I think most people could if they stop to think.

Where on earth did you get that idea?

I'm suggesting that the existence of support services specifically for Muslim women should not mean that Muslim women should be included from single-sex spaces.

In exactly the same way, just because support services excusively for trans women exist, it does not mean trans women should be excluded from single-sex spaces.