The Ladies pond again

[IcakethereforeIam]

Trying to have a vote to make it women only again

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/22/transgender-women-ban-kenwood-ladies-pond-hampstead-heath/

https://archive.ph/xbIsK paywall dodge

I'm not holding my breath.

If I had a penny for every time a TRA has said this...

Usually it starts with I'm as gender critical as they come, (but 'you lot' have turned me into a raging TRA)

No one ever answers what a woman is, it's too complicated. But it must be taught to children. No one has any criteria for gatekeeping women's spaces, but women must be fine about it otherwise they're fear mongering

Sports is conveniently never addressed, because the person 'isn't sporty' (completely unsurprising)

It's all the same tedious bollocks.

Meaningless. You could easily be an aggressive man with that description.

Your definition of the word 'man' includes the word the word man. Can you not see that isn't a definition?
The definition 'adult human male' works if someone doesn't under the word they are asking for a definition of but any definition that contains the word you are trying to define is flawed.

E.g. What is a dog? It's errmm a dog.
Or in your case it's a dog and some cats. This hasn't given the person asking the question any actual information as to what a dog is (a mammal, four legged, covered in fur, barks etc).

So can we have a definition of man that doesn't contain the word man please?

Well given that a woman is any person who says they are a woman, I don't know which sex you are.

If you are a woman by gender then you're bound to feel different about it because you are one of the people who is demanding access to spaces which were previously determined by sex.

It's all a load of nonsense which has given a cohort of men a stick to beat women with, t'was ever thus.

Happily your views are in the minority despite that you identify that they are majority views. The world is waking up to how misogynistic trans demands are.

Again, feel free to share your pronouns.

As i said, it's a very useful signifier.

Transwomen are male. You have to be be male to be a TW. Many men are not voyeurs or fetishists, but quite a few are. The fact that it is males that tend to be more inclined to certain types of sexualised focus or approach is why women's single sex spaces exist - to preserve the privacy, dignity and safety of the female sex in certain situations in which the body or biology is paramount.

If men really identified 'with' women rather 'as' women, they'd understand why women feel the way they do and why single sex spaces exist.

Identifying with someone - implies empathy and compassion. Identifying as someone is just role play,

PP82 can neither engage with the questions, nor explain any thinking. To do so would either reveal to us that (s)he’s very thick, or s(he) would have to admit it’s sexist nonsense.

I hoped briefly that s(he) was a genuine poster who might engage, but it’s clear (s)he’s not.

That may be the case. I have no idea. I have never been gender critical, have been anti TERF since you lot started started rearing your heads again 10/15 years ago but just didn't pay these issues close attention.

Defining a woman is complicated, most identities are complex and contested.

You can define me as a TRA if you want but I'm not. I'd be proud to be an activist on this issue and wouldn't deny it if I could genuinely claim to be so. Why do you have this need to assume I am? Just bunker mentality? Or can't believe that lots of people look at the same issues and arguments and come to the same conclusions without being coached or groomed somehow? It's bizarre.

? I went to an all girls school. It was ghastly.

'I paid only a little bit of attention to these issue until I stumbled on this board a few months ago and you all radicalised me lol.'

totally offensive bullshit

women have been told for thousands of years its what they have done that has brought physical and mental oppression down on their heads. Its a lie abusers use to justify and get away with their abuse
so you can fuck off with your lying victing blaming shite

its you woman talking about your experiances that MAKES me have to try to gaslight you...

I've never stated my pronouns because it's pretty bloody obvious I'm a woman. And it's pretty bloody obvious for everyone I meet. The most obvious cases of people needing to insist upon their pronouns are men who are attired in dresses and make up who clearly look like men in dresses and make up.

I can see right through you like a fucking pain of glass

twat

I literally just got my karyotype test results this week and can confirm without doubt two x chromosomes. I have a picture and everything. Wasn't a big surprise, as I was pregnant last year.

So if in the future you have a 16 year old daughter who says she's off for a sleep over with her 18 year old best friend "Martha", who just happens to look, sound and act like a teenage boy with rampant hormones you'd be fine with that because "Martha" claims to be a girl?

What do you mean by genuine? Literally everything I have said on these boards is true. I have not told a single lie.

Can't believe that women come to the conclusion that they don't want to be raped, assaulted, harassed, excluded, bullied by for sex when they're gay, have to lie to stroke men's egos and inner selves, and don't want to lose their rights 'without being groomed'?

😂

Yeah it's baffling.

I'm out. This is just silly now, and this thread has been merailed way beyond the original discussion. Again.

My 16 year old daughter can sleep with who she likes. She'll be 16! I slept with who I liked when I was 16. My mum took me to get the pill.

It's a pretty distorted pane of glass if you think I'm multiple men lol.

You can call yourself what you like, but some things transcend your personal feelings or desires and exist in the realm of fact and commonly understood reality. Your sex is one of those things.

You cannot compel others to prioritise your feelings over observed reality.

Lol. Never heard of the social contract?

Not in reality it doesn't.

A man is an adult human male - the world over; and the legal definition of rape is unwanted penetration of the body with a penis.

Ahem

Is the XX only pond nicer, is the mixed sex space colder, is the XY space smaller?

I am XX I identify as an adult human being, XX doesn't define me as a person which is what the current system does. I don't want to be excluded from any space because of my chromosomes. Why did I wait in a 15 minute line to use the bathroom last night just because I display features defined by some people as female, where as my husband who is XY and exhibits features defined as male by society waited 30 seconds? I would have been happy to use the space define as XY but bouncers stopped mixing to satisfy some woman (trust me plenty of use were saying we would use the XY space).

Religion has an ever shrinking space, in society it is a choice to practice it, but we can't restrict other people to have space for those who choose it.

You'll have to expand what you mean by social contract for me to discuss further. But a contract is an agreement between two parties.