The Ladies pond again

[IcakethereforeIam]

Trying to have a vote to make it women only again

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/22/transgender-women-ban-kenwood-ladies-pond-hampstead-heath/

https://archive.ph/xbIsK paywall dodge

I'm not holding my breath.

Is this old guff still going on?

@PP82 no need to stay you're a CIS woman. If you indeed are a woman as you claim, there's really no need for the silly CIS prefix. It's just woman. Adult human female.

Since you are proposing to replace biological sex with gender identity in both policy and law then yes, I'd like a simple explanation that everyone can understand.
If you can't do that may I suggest that doing so would be a mistake.

I don't think this thread is troubled by that many lurkers. And I'm not part of the trans lobby, whatever that may be. I have never been involved in any activism on this issue ever, other than attending general LGBT and queer events. I've stated that over and over. Not sure why you all insist on promoting me to the status or activist or lobbyist. I haven't earned it.

Well if you watched it in the 70s it would explain your need for IVF because you would be in your late 50s minimum.
Of course you might identify as 28 but that bitch biology wouldn't take you special feelings into account. Just like it doesn't stop the men with lady feelings from being men.

You can't compel me to call myself simply a woman without my consent. Compelled speech!

No I just like people to explain what they mean. The fact that you can't because in your words it's "complicated" would suggest that you can only deal with simple questions as well. So how about answering the 2nd question I asked which should be easy for you. What is your definition of a man? Yours. So no need to look anything up or claim it's complicated because it's your definition, so you must know.

So close and missing the point. Transwomen should be kept off female wards because they are male and present the same risk as all males. 99% of sexual assaults are committed by males regardless of how the identify.
With males members of staff patients should be able to ask for a same sex HCP for intimate procedures or even if they feel uncomfortable.

I mean, I do think that is what should happen but I'm not calling for it in any meaningful way. I'm not involved in any activism and I live in Spain where gender self ID is the law. The only way in which my views are relevant in a British context is that this is one issue that will affect how I vote in the election this year, if I decide to bother.

Anyone who says they are one. So cis men and biological women who identity as men.

But it true tho isent it.

And I'm not part of the trans lobby, whatever that may be.

Well you certainly sound like you are.

"Polls showed most women were fine with trans women using changing rooms until a few years ago when you lot started your malevolent hate campaign, 'captured' most of the right wing media and the current hard right government, and managed to persuade a chunk of the British public, many of whom are often hard of thinking anyway, that it was a problem."

you would not be doing a better job. There is no better job.

your idology is nonsense, you can only work with what you have

So Isla Bryson is a women then? And as a woman should be in a woman's jail?

If you want to call yourself a cis woman, then go right ahead. Along with pronouns in bios/email signatures, it's a handy signifier for the rest of us.

lol.

Are you the same person who said women could be worried about men in their spaces, but not transwomen?

So they can be worried about men in their spaces, but not if those men say some magic words out loud.

For intimate procedures I don't necessarily totally disagree in all circumstances, but when I worked on a maternity unit it caused some nightmare scenarios with real clinical risk attached. For any procedure, no. You don't get to demand a different staff member based just on their sex/gender and expect to be catered to. Anyone can decline care for any reason, but it's up to you if you want to go to the back of the queue.

I'm don't understand the meaning of the word cis. Because we can only know the sex people were assigned at birth based on their physical characteristics because they are irrefutable in 99 percent of cases. When children are adopted or we have no access to their birth certificate, when a baby is abandoned in a bag on a doorstep - how do we assume the sex assigned at birth? Is it via their physical sexual characteristics?

And when so called 'cis' women were born how do they define the person who birthed them? Was it a woman? What sexual characteristics did they have? Was it a womb and vagina? And who in turn birthed them? Was it a woman with a womb and a vagina? At any point in the history of their family and their ancestors did any babies pop into the world via the arsehole of a man?

I just can't find a need for the term cis to be used. It's irrefutably clear what a woman is. We only need extra terms for people who are pretending to be women.

I don't think anyone is " shouting" at you.

Being a man ( I assume) you clearly are unaware of why women value and appreciate genuine women only spaces. The genuine sense of relaxation and comfort, and the ability to feel secure when in a state of undress.It is not women who tend to spend their time staring at people's genitalia or fetishising body parts.

The only reason that 'male bodied people' would use a women only space when there are two other suitable spaces they could use - is for entirely self validating and narcissitic reasons. They don't care how women might feel.

If they genuinely identified 'with' women, rather than 'as' women, they'd be far more sensitive and respectful and use the mixed sex space.

I only looked at that polling data because someone on this board posted the link a few days ago.

A very caring attitude towards survivors of sexual abuse.

Yeah, 'you lot and your malevolent hate campaign'.

Transactivism at its finest.

I've never stated my pronouns. I have lots of friends who do, but I've never bothered. I might start now though. As I've said a few times, I paid only a little bit of attention to these issue until I stumbled on this board a few months ago and you all radicalised me lol.

I'm a woman and I feel much more relaxed in mixed spaces. Don't assume all women feel the same.

It just reminds me of the attitude regarding the six words amendment from many MSP's during the Forensic Medical Examiners (Scotland) Bill.

For context, in case you don't know, Isla Bryson is a double rapist who says he is a woman. By your criteria he should be sent to a women's prison. No?