The Ladies pond again

[IcakethereforeIam]

Trying to have a vote to make it women only again

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/22/transgender-women-ban-kenwood-ladies-pond-hampstead-heath/

https://archive.ph/xbIsK paywall dodge

I'm not holding my breath.

deliberate ambiguity is a tool of the powerful to keep the oppressed in a state of insecurity, never having something definate to fight against.

your worrying about what i think?

That's a shame for your daughters. You are limiting their opportunities and teaching them to afraid.

I actually agree with a lot of this, but it is not just about fear. Quite apart from the fact that some women self exclude for religious reasons, the fact is that the presence of men changes the dynamic. Most women behave differently in male company, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting a female only space just because that's what we want.
Also, of course, I wouldn't be so dismissive of the fears of other women, nor presume that it's 'not normal' and they 'need help' just because it's not something i experience. It's possible to find the constant talk of female vulnerability unhelpful whilst also recognising that it is very real for some women.

I don't know why you think being incredibly simplistic and reductive is a virtue?

So if gender is not biological, why do you think we should use it to segregate men and women, when there is a perfectly clear biological marker that has traditionally been used?

Why would you move from a clearly defined, specific marker to feelings in someone’s head that can’t be verified and (obviously) leave the door open wide for liars?

Or men could be told no for once.

I want that on a tshirt.

Neither are the vast majority of men. They are much more likely to abuse their position as your partner, family member or friend to rape you in private. Stranger rape is significantly rarer. Strangers aren't who we need to fear. And women can be sexual abusers too.

Oh for goodness sake. Women have explained and explained and explained to you on multiple threads and still all you can do is regurgitate this silly bullshit.

I don't really think men and women should be segregated. But if they are, women who are living as women should be able to use facilities designated for women.

Most men aren't thieves either. Do you leave your house and car unlocked?

And men commit 98% of sexual crime, with trans women committing it at least the same rate; some prison stats suggest they commit significantly more.

It's useful when transactivists come on here and remove their normal filter, so everyone can access their psyche.

It's so much more effective when women's points are so comprehensively proven.

Especially the nasty premise that, even though men commit 98% of all sex crime and 90% of violent crime, vulnerable women should still shut up when they're half naked and these men determinedly ignore their consent.

Unpleasant, predatory, aggressive, risible tactics.

And these men try and trot it out everywhere. Riley Gaines was told she needed therapy if she didn't want a man looking at her in the changing room.

And, to be honest, even one tiny glimpse at that psyche is enough for anyone. Ain't no amount of therapy going to have an impact on that writhing mess.

So you would be in favour of mixed sex spaces everywhere in totality. Even prisons?

You are ridiculous and clearly care not one iota about women and girls.

i want your agruments to make sense. your giving away womens rights, you need logical sound argements for that
but you dont seem to have them

“Women who are living as women” is a risible phrase. What do you think a woman is if it isn’t a biological category?

What you actually mean is men who are living as women.

I find it interesting that you can’t bring yourself to use language to state that clearly. You know you are lying, but are adding layers to it. Fascinating.

And you don’t care about women who want separate spaces, even though there is plenty of evidence to show they reduce sexual assault in public spaces.

Is that a reasonable summary of your position?

I don't believe in prisons in the sense in which they currently exist. A very small number of secure facilities should exist only for the most extremely dangerous and violent offenders. Virtually no women would be in such facilities.

I’ve never known anyone who has not been able to access a space because they are a wheelchair user. However I know that this does happen and people need to be accommodated accordingly. Just because it doesn’t affect me or people I know doesn’t mean it isn’t real.

Quite a number of men identifying as trans would be in them. Based on your own belief system women would be in them.

I do not believe separate spaces is a meaningful way to reduce sexual violence.

I do not believe prejudices, even when held by the majority, should affect the rights of a minority.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/mental-health-patient-sexual-assault-b2277578.html

because it is really is very simple.

there is zero scientific evidence that anyone has a 'gender' therefore it is a mystical belief system a few people have
ending single sex spaces disadvantages women, who are already an oppressed class, and offends the vast majority of the population
changing society for the benefit of the few against the best interest of the many is not a good thing to do imo for anyone and will end in multiple disasters (sterilising kids anyone?)

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

Of course separate spaces won’t reduce sexual violence if we use your segregation plan.

You’d put any man in the women’s category who wanted to be there. Every perverted man in the world would choose to be there.

There's overwhelming evidence that women are more vulnerable to sexual assault in mixed sex spaces yet because you personally think it's meaningless bigotry and oppression against men you want to take it away from women and girls.

It's a really despicable stance to take.

What? So you’d be perfectly happy with a young girl getting changed in the same space as adult men?