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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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Ohnohedident · 24/02/2024 13:50

In the context of biology and womens safety from men, cultural differences are meaningless

Peskysquirrel · 24/02/2024 13:50

OvaHere · 24/02/2024 13:47

Yes. I'm fascinated by this linguistic pattern of 'you lot' and 'you all'.

It's the same on every thread. From someone who professes not to like labels.

PP82 · 24/02/2024 13:50

Cailleach1 · 24/02/2024 13:46

Goodness me, the dark ages want people who think anti-scientific and anti reality thoughts like this back. I do hope that I am never so gullible or credulous as to be so hornswaggled. It reminds me of zealots (religious or political), wishing to make it blasphemy to utter anything non-aligned with the ideology. Even (or especially) if that contradictory utterance is evidence based and shows the ideology to be nonsense.

People don’t change sex. Even if some ideologues try to pretend that they do. Responding with ‘bigot’ (blasphemer) doesn’t make the earth flat. If that is what you have to rely on, It just shows the lack of substance underpinning the ‘theory’.

I feel sorry for you wrt the trauma of having been assaulted by so many men.

You can't change biological sex. You can change your gender. That's about identity. I bet you have many facets of your identity that have nothing to do with your biology.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 24/02/2024 13:51

PP82, you clearly have a great deal of resilience and enjoy living a full and free life, despite the fact you've been raped and sexually assaulted 'countless times'. Good for you.

It's sad that you fail to acknowledge that not everyone is as fortunate as you are to have the same level of resilience and your orders to many here with less resilience to 'get therapy' in order to become as good as you really does lack grace.

StarlightLime · 24/02/2024 13:51

PP82 · 24/02/2024 13:44

You're. I wouldn't normally be a grammar pedant arsehole but you are the ones obsessed with linguistic accuracy.

"Your talking shite" at last makes sense (and is singularly apt in this instance!); your perfectly scripted prose unfortunately does not.
Which is more useful?

Dumbo12 · 24/02/2024 13:51

PP82 · 24/02/2024 13:48

Within every nationality, religion or other culturally or socially constructed identity, there are huge differences between how people live, but we don't say those identities are worth nothing and are meaningless. (I personally think nationality is a meaningless identity, but that's a minority view.)

Woman is not a social construct, but a biological reality. The examples you provide are used to qualify the state of that individuals womanhood, so an English woman, etc.
How does one live as a woman?

PP82 · 24/02/2024 13:53

TheGreatGherkin · 24/02/2024 13:48

@PP82

Is that the same poll which also asked if transwomen who not had surgery would women be willing to share spaces with them? Is it that poll where the overwhelming majority of women said no to bepenised women?

Oh well, if we keep educating the young, attitudes will change. Thank god for all those fantastic organisations doing tireless work in schools 💖

Ohnohedident · 24/02/2024 13:54

Schools have been instructed they are not to teach sudo science as fact or to work with anyone who does.
And they are very much adhearing to that.

TheGreatGherkin · 24/02/2024 13:56

@PP82

Reiki and homeopathy are not worthy of respect, they are new age/ pseudoscientific guff. If people want to avail themselves of these "treatments", fine, crack on if it makes them feel better about themselves. The placebo effect is strong. Gender identity seems to be some nebulous unidentifiable womanly/manly feeling in someone's head. Sex however is a verifiable scientific category with a standardised set of criteria with which to identify which category someone falls into to.

Ohnohedident · 24/02/2024 13:56

Those lawsuits are a coming, and no school wants to be in their path. Certainly without gov guidence to shield them

OvaHere · 24/02/2024 13:58

PP82 · 24/02/2024 13:53

Oh well, if we keep educating the young, attitudes will change. Thank god for all those fantastic organisations doing tireless work in schools 💖

There's been some amazing education from trans rights activists in the last few years. Just not in the way you think.

Ohnohedident · 24/02/2024 13:58

Your gona get my posts removed now arent you 😂
I mean you are crashing and burning arguments wise

StarlightLime · 24/02/2024 13:59

PP82 · 24/02/2024 13:53

Oh well, if we keep educating the young, attitudes will change. Thank god for all those fantastic organisations doing tireless work in schools 💖

They've had their wings clipped, thank Christ 😄

TheGreatGherkin · 24/02/2024 14:00

@PP82

You didn't address my comment about the poll. Most women do not want someone with a penis in their spaces. Are you going to comment on that?

PP82 · 24/02/2024 14:02

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 24/02/2024 13:51

PP82, you clearly have a great deal of resilience and enjoy living a full and free life, despite the fact you've been raped and sexually assaulted 'countless times'. Good for you.

It's sad that you fail to acknowledge that not everyone is as fortunate as you are to have the same level of resilience and your orders to many here with less resilience to 'get therapy' in order to become as good as you really does lack grace.

I don't see what's wrong with suggesting that those with continuing trauma should seek therapy. I acknowledge that accessing it can be prohibitively difficult.

I am very resilient but have lost track of how many times I've been told on this board that I need to seek help for not being more traumatised. I find this extremely bizarre and it has contributed to my view that you normalise and even fetishise trauma. Most of my friends have been raped or sexually assaulted multiple times. It is sadly quite normal in our society. I don't know anyone who's trauma manifests in the way so many people on this board claim is somehow the standard response.

As for 'countless times.' I don't much feel like counting. Does that make me less credible? Should I make a spreadsheet?

Peskysquirrel · 24/02/2024 14:04

I am very resilient but have lost track of how many times I've been told on this board that I need to seek help for not being more traumatised

Where has anyone ever said that?!

And by the way, it's "whose"

EmilysNailVarnish · 24/02/2024 14:04

Incredible that you can acknowledge the propensity of violence against women yet not understand how some women do not want to get changed in room with feminine men.

PP82 · 24/02/2024 14:05

Ohnohedident · 24/02/2024 13:54

Schools have been instructed they are not to teach sudo science as fact or to work with anyone who does.
And they are very much adhearing to that.

Hmmm...I don't think all teachers are cowed by your 'guidance.'

We'll see what happens when your buddies are booted out of power.

Homophobes thought they were winning when section 28 came in.

EmilysNailVarnish · 24/02/2024 14:06

Note to self: dust off the TRA bingo card

PP82 · 24/02/2024 14:06

Peskysquirrel · 24/02/2024 14:04

I am very resilient but have lost track of how many times I've been told on this board that I need to seek help for not being more traumatised

Where has anyone ever said that?!

And by the way, it's "whose"

Edited

I've been told several times on other threads.

Sorry for my error. Very sloppy of me.

Ohnohedident · 24/02/2024 14:06

I work in schools and can tell you resident tra very much are 'cowed'

Even a cult nut does not want to get their collar felt

PP82 · 24/02/2024 14:06

StarlightLime · 24/02/2024 13:59

They've had their wings clipped, thank Christ 😄

Some. For now.

PP82 · 24/02/2024 14:08

TheGreatGherkin · 24/02/2024 14:00

@PP82

You didn't address my comment about the poll. Most women do not want someone with a penis in their spaces. Are you going to comment on that?

Attitudes are culturally constructed. Like gender.

OvaHere · 24/02/2024 14:09

EmilysNailVarnish · 24/02/2024 14:04

Incredible that you can acknowledge the propensity of violence against women yet not understand how some women do not want to get changed in room with feminine men.

It is really quite astonishing.

PP82 · 24/02/2024 14:10

Ohnohedident · 24/02/2024 14:06

I work in schools and can tell you resident tra very much are 'cowed'

Even a cult nut does not want to get their collar felt

Hmmm. Wonder what part of the country you live in?

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