Why are separate spaces for trans people unacceptable (to trans people)?

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There's a thread on AIBU about people's network's views on the trans debate and a poster suggested trans people ought to campaign for separate spaces - trans toilets, trans sporting events etc.

Is anyone campaigning for this? And if not why not? I'm not clued into the detail of the debate and am genuinely interested. Is it just impractical (cost, insufficient numbers for competitive sport) or is it ideologically unacceptable?

Nailed. It.

Because trans people don't just want to exist as trans people, they absolutely and categorically demand that society affirm their delusions as well.

It's not enough to be tolerated, they want us to believe they're women too, and let them, even if they present as masculine and still have male genitalia, into womens spaces.

Nothing will be enough, and the demands will keep shifting and moving. Look at Scotland, where it's not illegal to "stip up hatred" against transwoman, but absolutely nothing in the same legislation about women.

Trans women are more equal in the eyes of Scottish law than actual women. This is where "be kind" has got us.

The word 'woman' is taken and globally understood. If you really want to be clear you'll need to come up with another word.

Ok good luck with that

100% agree with this. They don’t want to get on with their lives quietly, they insist society has to affirm the fiction they have of being the opposite sex.

and they couldn’t care less that it makes women and young girls uncomfortable.

this condition that a lot of trans women have, explains why they actually enjoy making women feel uncomfortable - it is called Autogynephilia and is commonly abbreviated to AGP https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/16110/html/

Unisex facilities do not work at all well in the night time economy..where even with full length cubicle doors a mixed sex access corridor puts women at risk.

A small office environment is a different matter to a large, anonymous public space.

A lot of my local shops and venues (I'm not in the UK) have unisex toilets. To reach them you usually have to go down an isolated corridor, and anyone who has a medical emergency in one is unlikely to be discovered for a long time.

I know people who have passed out in cubicles, have seen children who got stuck but were able to crawl under the gap to escape. And door locks do break. I've been trapped in a private home bathroom before because the knob fell off the door. Some of these fully enclosed cubicles have dodgy locks.

There exist a few unisex toilet buildings, mostly in parks and public places, which have a 10-minute timer and so are a little safer for women, disabled people and children.

I still prefer single-sex toilets with traditional cubicles. They're the safest for women, especially on nights out. If your drink is spiked or your date is being a creep, having a bolthole like that can be a lifesaver.

✨Validation✨

As @Datun rightly said:
The men who want to use women's spaces are using the women in them.
It's not the space, it's the women in them that validate their 'gender identity'.

You think trans people are trans to scare people and make them afraid because they hate them? As in cis- males become trans women because they hate women? If anything doesn’t it make more sense that they really like them as they want to be them?

Here's a selection of TRA's who view women as nothing but objects. They spell out exactly why they have transitioned. Chu, in another work, describes women as nothing but 'blank eyes....and an expectant asshole'. They don't really like women - they see women as less than human.

And male. Just male. Cis is the language around the tenents of a pseudo religious belief that other people don't believe in.

(Edited to correct a name)

If anything doesn’t it make more sense that they really like them as they want to be them?

Transwomen don't want to be women. They want to be some stereotype of women, which might include wearing dresses or having long hair. It doesn't include caring for elderly relatives, or doing the majority of the housework, or getting ignored in meetings. And they don't understand what it's like to be women or they would understand why we don't want males in our spaces.

Was the drive-by scolding on the other thread not getting the answers you wanted?

Since this thread hasn't been active since APRIL.

Ahh ok I see what you mean

This can’t be serious is there a link/website as this seems too crazy and like rage bait to me

What's Prince doing there?

I thought he was dead.

Here's a larger version of the image, the quotes are all genuine. Just Google them. Prince isn't one of them.

archive.fo/XI0Rx

Jesus the naivety on display is astounding.

YES these people exist.

I guess you've never heard of AGPs either? Some are very open about the fact that this is why they have "transitioned".

This is disappointing.

Just looked up Chu seems like they might be a bit of an edgelord! So I stand corrected as from what I have seen in my brief look at their published work this is rather on brand after all.

There won't be any significant benefits for the tiny numbers of trans athletes participating.They won 't get sponsors, they won't get advertising deals, younger ones won't get scholarships. Also they won't get into women's changing rooms or showers.

And they won't get to win.
Because they are mediocre to bad "athletes" that failed miserably at their sport when competing against other men, yet mysteriously rise to the top of the league tables when competing against women.

Weird. No explanation for that AT ALL.
I wish we could follow the science to extrapolate any valid data from that?

That is but the tip of an extremely large iceberg. You seem to have come here to tell women to pipe down and #bekind, with no knowledge at of what we are expected to #bekind to.

As in cis- males become trans women because they hate women?

"Cis male" isn't a thing for me. Women don't come in two sexes. All those males you refer to are men whatever they wear or call themselves.