Trans women feeding chemical ridden milk to babies - approved by NHS

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Are people aware of this?
This has gone too far. Throwing women and children under a bus is one thing. Now babies.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13095965/Row-hospitals-say-hormone-filled-milk-trans-women-born-male-just-good-baby-real-thing.html?ito=native_share_article-top

Yes. In fact you could argue without much difficulty that the baby is more than a prop, since it is not merely a passive object providing the needed experience, but is required to actively suck on a particularly sensitive part of the male person's anatomy to provide the experience that the male person seeks.

Wtf are social services not all over this? How bloody obvious does it need to get?

THIS.
As the public and children are being gaslit into accepting more extreme public displays of porn, kink and fetish, this is a classic example of the criminal & unacceptable being presented as acceptable (even by the BBC ffs).

Safeguarding babies is non negotiable. The positive thing is that the vast majority of people recognise this for the abuse it is with only a small minority of outliers celebrating it plus some appallingly biased medics. We urgently need some prosecutions under the Sexual Offences Act of those using babies and children in this way.

Men feeding babies with their nipples is not natural or normal and cannot be done without taking shitloads of drugs that women would not be allowed to take when breastfeeding. And any man who wants to do it should be forced to prove he's not doing it for sexual arousal BEFORE DOING IT.

Which he won't be able to do.

They need their hard drives checking.

Thank you very much!

This article by Children of Transitioners is shocking! NHS Safeguarding is deliberately ignoring information that COT has brought to its attention. This needs to be raised in Parliament.

COT wrote to NHS Safeguarding nine months ago about the NHS promoting and enabling sexual and physical abuse of babies and psychological abuse of older children of transitioners and have still not had a reply!

Safeguarding Concerns in the NHS
22 Feb 2024

Many readers have seen Children of Transitioners’ letter from Sussex NHS Trust (thanks for your help Lottie/ Biology Matters project) link here.
Policy Exchange Biology Matters COTS Letter

Many press reports focus on the male secretion content rather than the ethics of unnecessary experiments with unlicensed drugs on babies or the use of infants in sexual paraphilias such as lactation fetish. There is no understanding that children with a parent who is trans should be safeguarded as other children are. The conflicts between the NHS LGBT/Stonewall rainbow badge scheme requirements and the rights and safeguarding of children of transitioners were apparently not noticed by NHS safeguarding staff before the scheme was heavily funded.

Since May 2023, we have been waiting for NHS England’s safeguarding team to respond to the safeguarding concerns and regulatory, legal, human rights and ethical failures we raised. We are therefore releasing this email so everyone can access our concerns.

See full article to read email to NHS Safeguarding - it contains terms and information that would probably get this post deleted:

https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2024/02/22/safeguarding-concerns-in-the-nhs/

Archived: https://archive.ph/EyFQO

WRN has also put out a statement:

NO TO MALE "BREASTFEEDING
A Statement addressing attempts to normalise male 'breastfeeding'

Recent claims from the Medical Director of University Hospitals Sussex NHS Trust that 'human milk' produced following 'induced lactation' as 'ideal for infants' is scientifically unproven and constitutes a dangerous escalation in the 'gender' and 'inclusion' narrative.

WRN strongly condemns the latest attempts to normalise the notion that males can sustainably produce the nutritional requirements of an infant. They cannot do so and should not be encouraged to try.

Breastfeeding is a complex biological process. A mother's milk adapts to the changing needs of her baby, providing essential nutrients and antibodies tailored to support the infant's growth and development. Colostrum is particularly important in preparing a baby’s gut for life outside the womb. Males do not possess the necessary physiological mechanisms to replicate this process.

Breastfeeding operates on a supply-and-demand basis. A baby's suckling stimulates milk production in the mother. Allowing a male to put a baby to his nipple can disrupt this delicate balance, affecting the mother's milk supply and compromising the infant's nutritional intake.

There exists a disturbing trend among male trans activists who openly use breastfeeding and breast milk fetishism for sexual gratification. This is the most dangerous aspect of a culture that seeks to affirm and validate identities rather than maintaining a sharp focus on the risks to the health and welfare of the baby and the mother. Greater effort should go towards providing support for women who want to breastfeed.

It is the responsibility of all media outlets to do due diligence and report only the facts on this topic, and to use clear language that does not obscure the sex of those being reported. There is insufficient evidence to support male breastfeeding and no research on the effects on the infant.

NHS Trusts have a duty of care to ensure that all published information and reference sources on induced lactation are based on rigorous scientific evidence and priority must be placed on the well-being of the baby.

We appeal to Victoria Atkins MP as Secretary of State for Health and Social Care to intervene, and insist that the NHS provides ethical, factual guidance based on evidence from accepted research.

https://www.womensrights.network/breastfeeding-statement

Archived: https://archive.ph/1tsCY

As if to demonstrate how depraved this whole scenario is, Pink News celebrates a man who has an OnlyFans account so other man can pay to watch him "breastfeeding":

Archived to avoid giving clicks to PN:

Yes, trans women can breastfeed too. Here’s why it’s safe, healthy and good for both mum and baby
Feb 19 2024

https://archive.is/JkniV

ps. the other active thread on this subject is here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5010461-human-milk-ffs

@Bosky Thanks for this link.

Cots are a small, unfunded group- It would indeed help safeguard children affected if mumsnetters could contact their MP.

given that the lactation fetish is relativly common I feel really uneasy about the nhs green lighting this

Have you got any more information on that?

It is very disturbing that Breastfeeding Support Groups are admitting men. The women responsible for this, are they naive, or willing enablers, pimping out mothers to voyeuristic perverts?

content warning pregnancy loss

This one always sticks in my mind

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/princess-mom

There was a study which showed that macronutrient (protein, fat, carbohydrate)* levels were the same or higher.*

Higher is not necessarily good.

Micronutrients (vitamins, minerals) weren't tested.

Hormone levels weren't tested.

Immune factors weren't tested.

Drug residues weren't tested (I don't have the study to hand, but from memory I think the men either had a medical condition or were producing milk as a side effect of drugs taken for another condition, rather than trying to do it on purpose - so even if they had tested, it wouldn't be for the same cocktail of drugs; with women it's not assumed that if 1 drug is OK in breastfeeding then so are all the others).

I think it's really irresponsible of them not to shut down the idea full stop. By giving it any credence it will encourage other males to try breastfeeding and also potentially expose breastfeeding groups to infiltration by fetishistic males. After all if the NHS says males can breastfeed then...

Breastfeeding groups are already being infiltrated by fetishistic males - with the blessing of most breastfeeding support organisations.

That is vile - but what I was meaning was some research to back up your mention that "lactation fetish is relatively common".

A quick internet search suggests that it is hardly uncommon in the "fetish community".

However, lactation fetish is sort of the opposite of what is going on with men who, as part of their Malaga Airport Syndrome, want to breastfeed infants. It means a fetish for being breastfed or observing breastfeeding - not doing the breastfeeding.

Men who want to breastfeed babies would have a form of Physiological AGP, which would normally but not necessarily be accompanied by cross-dressing, and is obviously sexual abuse of babies as a "props" to satisfy their paraphilia.

There are so many different types of AGP and they don't all necessarily involve cross-dressing. It makes me wonder about the motivations of apparently "bog standard men" who are so passionate in protesting that cross-dressing men should be given whatever they demand and are so vicious in their hatred of women who stand in their way.

I'm also a bit suspicious of this thread on the "LGBT Parents" board:

Induced lactation
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/lgbt_parents/5014193-induced-lactation

Best not actually discuss it too much here though as it could lead to this thread being deleted as a TAAT.

Looks like that's gone.

Weird how it's just completely gone, normally there's a message explaining why.

Here's a Canadian lactator, extolling the benefits of beer for BFing TW. In other reddit posts Margie strongly hints about having AIDS . The post has been deleted but is archived, see KF <redacted> sideshows thread p5893. Full text of Reddit post below, screenshot in image

cheers! It turns out that one indisputable benefit of being transfemme us that you can be pregnant and get drunk with no undue problems. Malt is spectacular for lactation, so for transfemme moms a beer is actually beneficial!
I have a baby almost 9 months old. This baby is staggeringly meaningful, because their presence in my life is astoundingly unlikely, yet there they are and they are perfect, and I cannot wait to connect through feeding. And yes, I will stop drinking before it negatively affects anything they drink!
This is a wish I have had for decades. My egg cracked a year ago on Dec 12 and I realized I could nurse my baby already on the way. That lit a fire under me, and I have gone from having lean pectoral muscle in March to full B-cups now and growing fast.
I am humbled by my staggering privilege in my accessibility to medical expertise. I have five physicians in three clinics in two world class hospitals helping me. That includes the Goldfarb Clinic: fans of induced lactation will recognize the name.

The doctors aiding and enabling that ‘transfemme’, that delicate Brigitte in her new B cup bra should be struck off.

My Latin isn't up to it but could we possibly dump the use of lactation (with milk as its root)? It's not milk.

Can a Classist help us out with the term for 'expressor of chemically induced non-nutritive fluid' please? ille qui non-nutritivum fluidum exprimit a pectore doesn't roll off the tongue and is probably very wrong.

I'm not a classicist but according to the Miriam Webster online dictionary the word 'effluent' comes from the Latin verb effluere, 'to flow out'. Might that be useful?

Effluation perhaps? I'm no linguist though!

Beginning to wonder if there's something Swiftian to cover this. Effluent from the usual orifices and this on top. A sort of E3, if you will.

(Swift because I've a vague sense that he wrote some scandalously low brow political items in which he discussed flatus at some length (Neither a Swiftian nor Classist.).)

Re: Swift. Can't quite find what I had in mind but I've included this for references to dinosaurs.
http://www.booktryst.com/2012/05/jonathan-swift-on-women-who-fart-or.html

Why not simply 'discharged fluid'?

This may have been already linked, but theres a good summary of why the BBC articles about this are arse about face 'journalism'.

This article highlights the mental gymnastics required to get from 'one study of induced lactation in one man (all other studies cited were irrelevant as they were about induced lactation in females)shows secretion content is similar to female breast milk on some criteria' to 'induced male breast secretions are fine to feed to infants'.

https://millihill.substack.com/p/dear-bbc-youve-got-your-facts-wrong

There are handy links to the research, bbc articles and letter (for those who claim they can't find them. HTH).

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