"Human Milk" ffs

[SecondUsername4me]

Not linking to DM (clicks) but an article on the app today talks about how one NHS trust has said that hormone fuelled milk produced by transwomen is equally as good for baby as breastmilk produced by women.

The director says the terminology Human Milk should be used as both milk types are equal.

In the letter, the Medical Director claims 'there is clear and overwhelming evidence that human milk is the ideal food for infants', referring to both breast milk and the 'induced lactation' of biological men

Ffs these poor babies.

The £££££ that has been thrown in faking shit for men so they can cosplay womanhood while actual disease and illness is left to fundraise for its own research is sickening.

I'm sure the Tavistock said something about how a significant proportion of young people they saw were the children of sex offenders (linked to what @Chariothorses posted). Were those children trying to transition out of being dad's favoured sex, or (worse) INTO it? Were the sex offender parents pushing their kids into transition because it gave them carte blanche to be overly familiar with their child's genitalia in a legitimate way - i.e using their child as a prop for a sexual perversion?

The amount of lactate was only mentioned to be 8oz two weeks before the birth of the baby, it does not say this was the maximum ever produced. The subject did become concerned and started to mix feed at 6 weeks.

I don't think analysis of the lactate produced by trans women is unethical. I'm sure you agree that anything fed to a baby should be analysed first but nobody has shared any of those studies yet claim they exist and show that the lactate is inferior.

BeautifulViews · Today 11:34

The baby was exclusively fed for 6 weeks and was reported to be healthy and growing normally though.

What did you mean by "exclusively"? Do you mean by the father? If so, you're incorrect, because it was mainly the child's mother, with the father only able to produce 150 ml daily, for a few weeks.

This manifests in even worse - in fact heartbreaking - manner regarding FGM survivors. Turns out many of them could be helped by reconstructive surgery yet they're routinely fobbed off by the NHS and/or have to go abroad as there's supposedly no domestic know-how around this (11 European countries now perform FTM reversals.) Yet as this Guardian (!) article argues there are in fact multiple British surgeons specializing in labia construction- they're just reserving their skills for frankenfannies. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/dec/21/how-the-nhs-is-failing-fgm-survivors

@SecondUsername4me
According to Sussex NHS term 'human milk' includes drug induced secretions from father.

I am going to plop some links and other stuff I have added to threads over the past years. Some may be repeats from what Eresh posted in lascap's work.

Testosterone

academic.oup.com/humrep/article/16/2/244/649618?login=false

I found a study that looked at the hormone levels in women breastfeeding. A breastfeeding women without PCOS has the following testosterone levels at 4 weeks and 8 weeks of breastfeeding :

Ng/ml
4th wk 0.13
8th wk 0.11

A woman with PCOS (ng/ml)
4th week 0.21
8th week 0.26

The male who fed exclusively for 6 weeks started with 2.56 ng/ml. That was with the suppression drug that was not noted to change in dose throughout this period. And that suppression is known to be unreliable so the level of testosterone may have fluctuated during the feeding time.

No testing of testosterone was done on this substance being fed to the infant from what I can see either. In fact, there was NO testing noted on that substance in this study!

What was the sex of the infant? What was the effect on that infant? What is the future effect on that infant?

Yes, I too want to continue to draw reader’s attention to this part of the study whether the male exclusively fed for six weeks.

”After three months of treatment, this increased to 227 grams of breast milk per day. Once the baby was born, she was able to exclusively breastfeed the infant for six weeks – during which time a paediatrician confirmed the baby was growing and developing normally and healthily.”

“Although significant, this is below the average of around 500 grams that a baby consumes by the time the it is 5 days old.”

Something is not adding up here.

I had posted this about the interactions of drugs that I could find

What is interesting is that this male that did this for 6 weeks exclusively was taking 50 mg twice a day of Spironolactone and in that documentation for this study I could find that this was lowered. However, the study authors did mention a study of women taking 25 mg and THAT the canrenone component that was considered risky only being 0.2% and considered ‘safe’. So this male still seemed to be taking double and the level of Spironolactone in the milk had NOT be assessed as safe. There seems to be a hand waving away of this fact in the study.

This is from this study linked below.

”At the time of our first visit, she was taking spironolactone 50 mg po bid, estradiol 2 mg po bid, and micronized progesterone 100 mg po bid. “

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779241

The study they quoted the 0.2% from says:

“The major metabolite of spironolactone, canrenone, was measured in the serum and milk of a 17-day postpartum woman who was taking 25 mg of spironolactone four times daily. Milk canrenone levels 2 hours after the dose were 104 mcg/L, and 47 mcg/L at 14.5 hours after the dose. The authors estimated that the nursing infant would receive about 0.2% of the mother's total daily dosage in the form of canrenone.1] Active sulfur-containing metabolites were not measured.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK501101/

I have now found this to be considered a ‘no’ effect on the infant written up.

https://www.drugs.com/breastfeeding/spironolactone.html#

It is notable (I might have missed it though) that I was unable to find the sex of the male fed infant. Because spironolactone has been noted for causing development issue for male sex organs on male foetuses in pregnancy.

The fact that our apparently cash strapped NHS can waste resources on bollocks like this is a national scandal.
Men do not produce breast milk. A man putting a frock on does not make him a woman he's just a man in a frock. Pumping him full of stuff to fulfill his fantasy that he really is a woman just panders to his mental disorder.
If the NHS has spare cash to spaff around then spend it on mental health support for the poor buggers who think they were born in the wrong sex

Tin foil hat time! To add to GrumpyPanda's post; the FGM clinic used to be the national centre for female genital reconstruction in the UK, but closed when its funding was removed.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/2835340-fgm-community-support-system-having-its-funding-withdrawn

This article is relevant too

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161151-transgender-woman-is-first-to-be-able-to-breastfeed-her-baby/?utm_source=rakuten&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=2116208:Skimlinks.com&utm_content=10&ranMID=47192&ranEAID=TnL5HPStwNw&ranSiteID=TnL5HPStwNw-uOWyW0a0EHFcOxL5MmCf5Q&utm_source=rakuten&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=2116208:Skimlinks.com&utm_content=10&ranMID=47192&ranEAID=TnL5HPStwNw&ranSiteID=TnL5HPStwNw-eFdm05QNJngWSRNMPW32yA#ixzz6f2Pil0Ik

“However, the woman’s breastmilk has not been assessed yet, so we don’t know if it has the same mix of components as in milk from new gestational mothers. This means the practice cannot yet be recommended, says Madeline Deutsch at the University of California, San Francisco. She says she can see the potential benefits of breastfeeding, but that the long-term impact of this milk on the baby – including on subtle measures like IQ – is unknown.”

“Deutsch herself is a transgender woman with a six-month-old baby who is currently being breastfed by Deutsch’s wife, who was the gestational mother. “I am very sad not to be able to breastfeed her and at the same time I did not consider doing this for the above reasons,” she says.”

This was February 2018. I have not seen anything to prove that any in-depth studies have been released since to counter this expert's opinion. And there has been plenty of other threads since this that where these studies would have been posted by activist posters.

Yes, we need more information. However, no human infants should be used to do this. And I am uncomfortable about using animals for something that is not a life saving procedure as well

https://www.them.us/story/trans-women-breastfeed

This is an illuminating read and shows insight into the motivations for these male people who seek to do this.

There has not been any long term follow up on CoT babies fed these secretions/ medical experiment (would it pass ethics requirements anyway?).
And the NHS has no plans or ethics rules to tell older Cots if they have been subject to this.
There is no NHS safeguarding consideration of why it may be better for COT babies not to be required to suck male nipples, nor older siblings watch it, for CSA grooming risks.
There is no child protection involvement at all for Cots whose dads want to do this (no social services referral until after father is arrested for something else).
In fact there is a startling lack of curiosity/ concern by all NHS safeguarding staff/social workers about anything welfare related if a child has a transparent.
And with the trans flags everywhere in hospitals including on staff badges no Cot can speak up in such a hostile environment.

Walked into the chemist yesterday to look for some treatment for a sore throat treatment for a breastfeeding mother." None of those are suitable" says the pharmacist "as they'll be passed onto the baby via breastmilk". So we settled for gargling with salt water.
The pharmacist and the mother naturally prioritised the wellbeing of the baby. In contrast the comments from that hospital demonstrate just how this ideology is breaking so many aspects of society. Medical ethics, children's health and safeguarding abandoned in favour of demands from a niche group.

It's becoming terrifying.

I fucking despair.
All this fucking weird shit is now being normalised: polyamory, surrogacy, men pretending they are women, children being taught there are countless genders, teens being encouraged to ‘change’ sex. I absolutely fucking despair.

So do I. Fucking men and the fucking stupid women pandering to them. Babies being used in their sick fetish game. I despair too. When will all this sick nonsense stop?! It's dangerous and damaging.

The male breast lacks the body parts, as far as I am aware, of the receptors that allow that interaction between mother and infant. While that male breast produces a liquid, it lacks the immediate feedback that a female breast, including the hormone levels that a mothers body is monitoring after pregnancy, that delivers tailored milk to the infant.

Women are being told very clearly that we have to be so careful of all the food we take and medication we use.

And still we have people, including medical directors apparently, saying that infants should be used as experiments for a male centred experience that could potentially deliver harmful chemicals to an infant. And that is not even touching on the sexual fetish side that is published, and self published too, by males who experiment on themselves.

I would be furious if I found out that the milk I got from the milk bank was from a man and not a woman. It’s not the same at all

Helleofabore · Today 12:04

The male who fed exclusively for 6 weeks started with 2.56 ng/ml.

So, that's 10 times the absolute maximum, noted in a mother with polycystic ovary syndrome and about 25 times the normal level of testosterone of a "normal" breastfeeding woman.

That's without even considering the levels of canrenone in the fluid forced into the baby.

I had complications around 6 weeks after birth and was told to stop breastfeeding as the Dr's were concerned that the drugs (painkillers and antibiotics) wouldn't be good for the baby. They didn't know but didn't want to take any risks.

Breastfeeding mothers are routinely told to not take any drugs or stop breastfeeding.

And the testosterone suppression drug is KNOWN to be unreliable Sinner. We know this because of the sports studies have been very clear that it is unreliable.

I don't think analysis of the lactate produced by trans women is unethical

They are not women.

The default should not be that babies can be experimented on for male vanity and people questioning the ethics are the ones in the wrong.

The disgust response is instinctive in primates and serves an important evolutionary purpose. Why are we suppressing it?

(Females are more easily disgusted than males btw.)

Well. Testing a substance from a male breast is not unethical on its own.

But how many 'male breast substances' need to be tested to reach the degree of confidence that this should be allowed to then be fed to a child? Then considering the sex fetish side, how would it ever be ethical to have an experiment where there are 100?, 1000? of these males going through the process of lactating for 3 months and 6 further weeks to establish whether that one case study was even accurate, let alone keep the experiment going for longer to see what happens.

All to centre a male experience?

Fuck. And some people think that this is a good thing?