"Human Milk" ffs

[SecondUsername4me]

Not linking to DM (clicks) but an article on the app today talks about how one NHS trust has said that hormone fuelled milk produced by transwomen is equally as good for baby as breastmilk produced by women.

The director says the terminology Human Milk should be used as both milk types are equal.

In the letter, the Medical Director claims 'there is clear and overwhelming evidence that human milk is the ideal food for infants', referring to both breast milk and the 'induced lactation' of biological men

Ffs these poor babies.

The £££££ that has been thrown in faking shit for men so they can cosplay womanhood while actual disease and illness is left to fundraise for its own research is sickening.

Yes.

Yes

Yes

I am so disgusted.

Human milk is a common term in medicine, as distinct from formula and cows' milk. Doesn't have to be anything to do with transpeople.

In this exact conversation, it has everything to do with it.

Chariothorses · Today 14:57

La scapigiata 's linked to her book case study on this
^https://lascapigliata.com/2023/07/03/case-study-2-experiment-of-induced-lactation-in-a-trans-identifying-male-excerpt-from-born-in-the-right-body/^

From your link - I note that the person involved was also taking two kinds of sleeping tablets:

In addition to my concerns about high levels of testosterone in breast milk, this male patient is also reported to have used domperidone to stimulate galactorrhoea. Domperidone is banned in the US (FDA, 2004), and is only used off-label internationally to induce lactation in women. Domperidone is sometimes used to treat reflux but it has been discontinued for use in children under the age of 12, due to potential cardiac side-effects (MHRA, 2014). When domperidone is given off-licence to stimulate lactation, it requires ensuring that the mother and infant don’t have any contraindications to this treatment (Nottinghamshire Area Prescribing Committee, 2021).

A banned substance, to be used only in the most desperate circumstances.

Oh my god, the thought of a baby trustfully suckling on an offered 'breast' and getting a mouthful of male secretions, makes me feel sick. It should make EVERYONE feel sick, shouldn't it?

Well, it certainly turns the stomachs of most people here.

Except those who are so high on the fumes of their own Righteousness that they'd happily throw tiny infants into a bonfire of male sexual kicks.

Kucinghitam

Well, yes...

A full analysis of the lactate to see if it is the same as lactate from biological women

OK, I'll bite. I'll bite. You've already been shown on this thread that, for a start, the testosterone levels in male nipple discharge is orders of magnitude higher than in mothers' breastmilk, even mothers with particularly high levels compared to other women.

Then you said, but we'd need to do further research to see if that testosterone is harmless to the babies.

So which is it? Do we require the so called "lactate" [male nipple pus] to be identical or now we've proven that the male discharge is demonstrably very different, that might actually be ok after all, might it? How different does it have to be before we say, oh, that's not the same at all?

What other bodily fluids do we have to "prove" aren't equivalent to breastmilk? Saliva? Snot? Urine?

I've seen a photo of a TW expressing his nipples, when it was going around on twitter. He was expressing it into a gu pot or similar. That stuff was so viscous it was like cottage cheese, it formed a little mound in the pot. It did not resemble breastmilk in any way, it was closer in texture, from the look of it, to pimple pus. I'm not going to try and find the image, it made me feel nauseous at the time, but perhaps someone else can find it (but fgs put a sensitivity warning on the image).

I don't know if I've worded myself too strongly and I'll fall foul of the mn police. I almost don't care. If I can't advocate for babies on mumsnet of all places, where the hell is there.

Absolutely.

As such we should NEVER accept the starting premise that this is "milk".

That world should never be used in conjunction with this secretion.

We saw what happened when we were nice about Woman.

Exactly right.

Therefore this secretion should not be called milk.

It needs a different name cleearly identifying what it is and pronto.

Telegraph article (someone asked upthread for it):

1600 comments (increasing rapidly) and all as horrified as women on here and astounded that a senior NHS director would openly spout such dangerous lies, especially in relation to the safety of babies. Also many accurate comments about what's really behind this:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/18/trans-womens-milk-as-good-as-breast-milk-says-nhs-trust/

Just adding to this.

So not only is testosterone suppression unreliable (as per the sports studies) so this amount of testosterone is not reliable in males suppressing testosterone. But also, testosterone reduces milk production. I have read that it was used to suppress lactation in some women.

So when people query that study where that male exclusively fed the infant, this is entirely valid!

So the studies out there on impact of testosterone taken by females breastfeeding only report on impacts on infant that are observable. Not long term at all.

At what point are these adults going to accept that their choices should not be automatically granted because they demand it or they claim special status. Remember, some academics with questionable ethics have stated female people who demand to take testosterone while pregnant should be given it because the risk of having a child with a disability should be dismissed because it is ablest. That these mothers should do what they want and if the child is impacted, well that is fine because avoiding that is ableist. (ie. A child living with an avoidable disability is not to be prioritised over the mother’s bodily choices)

@MrsOvertonsWindow Thanks- any chance of a Telegraph share token please??

@yesmen If drug induced secretion is no good, galactorrhoea? I have just read online 'Male galactorrhea is not milk. It's chemical induced, toxic, nutrition-less excreta.'

I'm a biological female who breastfed her children and I'm struggling to read this thread. It's making me cry.
Anyone else feeling the same?

Yes, and I don't cry easily.

but I am not very knowledgeable on the subject.

It's abundantly clear. Do some reading up about the motivations of many males to "transition". Children aren't props.

I don't think they do share tokens - it's the Times that has those. Sorry.

The comments on that Telegraph article are all identifying this as autogynephilia. They are as disgusted as the women here, and saying that the NHS is allowing men to abuse babies to play out their sexual fetish.

Thank you for responses from other angry and upset people. I was going to send you virtual hugs and boxes of a well-known brand of tissues, but just to be sure I looked them up and they have apparently partnered with Disney to produce a 'rainbow collection' promoting 'LGBTQIA+' rights. 😢😢😢Sending virtual old fashioned handkerchiefs instead.

They're well up on it aren't they? Didn't the DT have a resident AGP writing all about his transition? Readers were paying attention!

Something like this touches our natural instincts - the instinct to protect a baby, that instinctive reaction that tells you when something is wrong that makes you recoil. Men like this medical director are pushing us to suppress that natural protective instinct in favour of enabling those seeking to use babies for experimental reasons.

It's our protective instinct means that we will prevail in the long run. Because no matter what they say - only women give birth and only women can breastfeed. We must hold our nerve and hold onto what we know is true.

What about the safeguarding concerns - the likelihood of men using unconsenting infants as props in their sexual fetish? does that not concern you at all?

If not, for Gods sake why not?

Yes, DT had DT - D Thomas is their name. Wrote a men's rights book under the name David Thomas.

If a non trans dad wanted a newborn to suck on his tit just so he could share the experience with the mum, there would be uproar and he would probably be arrested.

Why are these special dispensations being given?