"Human Milk" ffs

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Not linking to DM (clicks) but an article on the app today talks about how one NHS trust has said that hormone fuelled milk produced by transwomen is equally as good for baby as breastmilk produced by women.

The director says the terminology Human Milk should be used as both milk types are equal.

In the letter, the Medical Director claims 'there is clear and overwhelming evidence that human milk is the ideal food for infants', referring to both breast milk and the 'induced lactation' of biological men

Ffs these poor babies.

The £££££ that has been thrown in faking shit for men so they can cosplay womanhood while actual disease and illness is left to fundraise for its own research is sickening.

But how many 'male breast substances' need to be tested to reach the degree of confidence that this should be allowed to then be fed to a child?

I think the problem here is the advocates claim their dubious research "proves" this and the onus is on others to prove otherwise.

Damn, meant to quote @Helleofabore

Hi @BeautifulViews what study would you like to see take place in order for the safety to babies of male excretions to be assessed? And what be be the potential benefit to the baby and what would be the potential harm? Thanks

The NHS Rainbow Badge scheme specifically demands trusts have policies to support "non-carrying" parent to breast/chest feed.
I can't find it now but in the resources pack trusts are signposted to Brighton's policy. It will be in every trust that took part in the assessment process.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/rainbowbadgee_accreditationrepo/response/2501043/attach/3/Barts%20Rainbow%20Award%20Final%20Assessment%20Report.pdf?cookiee_passthrough=1

Surely if this study was robust and going to be used by NHS Directors, it should be available to read outside of paid access?

Lactation Induction in a Transgender Woman: Macronutrient Analysis and Patient Perspectives - PubMed (nih.gov)

Can anyone who has journal access post the findings related to nutritional value?

A newborn baby glugging down copious amounts of testosterone, in order to fulfil the fantasy of a man. (And if it's the same man, said it was more exciting than what a lover could do.)

And the bloody mad, captured, NHS is endorsing it.

I don't know how many times I've said about this bloody awful ideology that just when I think I've seen it all, I realise I haven't.

I do not think that we should accept the word "milk" in this discussison.

Secretion or some such.

We should not accept the premise at all .

I do not believe that.

The profile of men identifying as women and taking professional positions in sports, and all sectors of the professional world implies quite the opposite to your claim.

The demands these days are utterly bizarre.

First women have been told they have to prove they are disadvantaged in sports before men will stop being placed their category.

Now, women are being told that they have to prove men’s drug-induced breast secretions are worse for babies than mother’s milk before the men will stop.

It should be the other way round. Men should have been asked to prove it would not disadvantage women before they were shoved into women’s sports and men should have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that their drug-induced breast secretions are safer for babies than formula before they are allowed to shove their nipples into a child’s mouth.

The sexism in all this has always been off the scale.

You've all said it all perfectly, but once again, why? I do not believe any man, regardless of identity, has any biological imperative to 'breastfeed'. It is a completely pointless exercise and highly unlikely that any man would go through the necessary medication and pumping regime purely for validation. It is a fetish. That's it. A fetish which requires babies. Newborn infants. No testing, no debate, no analysis required. For the NHS to even suggest there is any value in any of this is mind blowing.

I can't believe any mother hands her newborn over to be force fed this toxic waste either, so I think medical authorities should be looking at investigating domestic abuse rather than trying to assist with gaslighting new mothers.

A full analysis of the lactate to see if it is the same as lactate from biological women. People talk about it being full of drugs so that wouldn't be good, I have no idea what sort of drugs trans women take I thought it was just synthetic hormones but I am not very knowledgeable on the subject.

If the lactate turns out to be identical I don't see any problem with allowing trans women to feed their babies if they wish although continuing to give colostrum in the early days should still be encouraged. If it is not in any way nutritionally enough for a baby then I would want them to discourage people from doing it.

If the lactate is identical the potential benefit could be increased bonding with both parents and in some cases a baby being breast fed that would not have been otherwise. The potential harms appear to be the lack of colostrum, the lactate not being tailored to that baby as it would be from the biological mother. If the lactate is inferior or basically not human milk the potential harms are of course much higher and unless it is at least as nutritious as powdered baby milk, the use of it should be widely discouraged at the very least.

There are some serious questions to be asked about the medical director of a hospital in the UK who's pushing this niche view. However, given the complete and shameful capture of the NHS by trans ideologists, that will never happen.

To be fair this Trust may be the best of the NHS. Other NHS Trusts involved, and NHS England, have refused to answer safeguarding FOI's/ complaints about this, stating it is either
'offensive' and 'discriminatory' to transpeople to suggest some children of transitioner's dads have sexual fetishes/ paraphilias or that only the parent can complain- ie the same adult who wants children to be forced to suck male nipples.

There are a lot of unprotected children of transitioners out there. Many organisations dominated by trans lobby groups are actively ignoring safeguarding failures about their trans policies. It's not just the NHS- SWE, CPS, NSPCC, police, schools etc have similar problems (another iicsa enquiry in a few years?).

Agreed. Every transwomen I've personally interacted with has taken it as their right to access women's spaces, sports and lesbian sexual partners and why wouldn't they when this is being encouraged by large swathes of society? I'm sure some don't, but I'm yet to meet one.

Probably out fear of being called transphobic!!

Oh, don't worry, they won't be donating any... They don't want to see babies fed, and they certainly won't be donating their "milk" for others. Because the ONLY reason they're doing this is to satisfy their own twisted and sick fantasies.

They are not, never have and never will be doing this for the benefit of the tiny helpless human being who NEEDS milk to survive. Because if they did, they'd ensure they did everything they could to support the mother in breastfeeding and financially supporting breastfeeding clinics, raising awareness etc. they aren't doing that...are they??

I'm a biological female who breastfed her children and I'm struggling to read this thread. It's making me cry.

Anyone else feeling the same?

Not so much cry @SoupDragonsFriend but absolutely rage. I've fed 3 kids over about 9 years. I've been policed, questioned, called weird for feeding a preschooler, had random people make comments about a glass of wine while feeding a 3yo. I BF throughout a medicated diabetic pregnancy and answered questions from anyone who saw me inject insulin while feeding. Suffered aversion, mastitis, over supply, bleeding, tongue tie and been treated for a galactocele while pregnant. I'm a staunch BF supporter. This makes me so angry, so outraged, because it's involving babies in a fetish and nothing more.

Does anyone have a free access link to the Telegraph article about this please for those of us who can't access?https://twitter.com/lascapigliata8/status/1759148768849440938

La scapigiata 's linked to her book case study on this
https://lascapigliata.com/2023/07/03/case-study-2-experiment-of-induced-lactation-in-a-trans-identifying-male-excerpt-from-born-in-the-right-body/

But God forbid a female wants to bottle feed formula. It is misogyny repackaged

Datun · Today 13:30

A newborn baby glugging down copious amounts of testosterone, in order to fulfil the fantasy of a man. (And if it's the same man, said it was more exciting than what a lover could do.)

It really is disturbing and nauseating and I'm actually shocked that a medical professional is pushing this, with no official action against them. It's bizarre, to say the least.

I understand you completely on this point.

It beggars belief how prescriptive people are towards pregnant and breast feeding women - a glass of wine, a pian killer or even stress will do x y z to your baby. Bad woman. All members of society are emboldened to judge and intervene. Then this...

Of course the most devastating element is the baby. Absolutely abhorent that this type of experimentation is not only allowed but encouraged.

Babies really are the latest commodity. Being bought, sold, and now this.